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Re: Pirates 2018

Postby knowitall » January 10th, 2018, 2:43 pm

Bad deal Neal should have been fired in 2010, 2012 and 2016.



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Re: Pirates 2018

Postby Crimson's Ghost » January 10th, 2018, 2:46 pm

We're acting like the Pirates haven't made a good trade since Huntington has been here.  For a franchise that never made the postseason before he got here, he built 3 consecutive teams that made it to the postseason.  

A.J. Burnett was a smart move, no?
Trading McLouth for Morton and Locke turned out just fine.
Bringing in Cervelli was a good one.
They kinda fleeced the Nats to get Rivero.


He's a good GM when they were winning and a bad one now.

Bob Nutting has been a bad owner throughout the whole thing in my opinion. I think that's where the blame should be.

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Re: Pirates 2018

Postby Crimson's Ghost » January 10th, 2018, 2:48 pm

knowitall wrote:Bad deal Neal should have been fired in 2010, 2012 and 2016.

Shouldn't have been fired after 2013,2014,and 2015. 
Adds up with my line of thinking that he's a good GM when the team is good. 

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Re: Pirates 2018

Postby Crimson's Ghost » January 10th, 2018, 2:48 pm

Hurdle seemed smarter during those seasons also.

Winning cures a lot.

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Re: Pirates 2018

Postby 12HankQB » January 10th, 2018, 2:54 pm

Agreed, Huntington is trying to be an underwater basket weaver with no snorkel. His boss is the issue. He has does a decent with acquiring some needed talent with no coins to put in the machine. Which also leads to him being forced to take bigger risks that don't always pan out.
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Re: Pirates 2018

Postby konjo78 » January 10th, 2018, 2:54 pm

Crimson's Ghost wrote:Pedro Alvarez who spent most of the year in the minors? And Liriano who is now a relief pitcher?

World champion relief pitcher* Who threw one hell of a game 7 in the world series

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Re: Pirates 2018

Postby knowitall » January 10th, 2018, 2:55 pm

Here's how that Burnett trade came to be:

The Phone rings in the office of the Pirates GM

Neal Huntington:  Pittsburgh Pirates, Neal Huntington speaking.

Brian Cashman:  Hello, this is Mr. Cashman of the New York Yankees, may I speak to your team's GM?

Neal Huntington:  I am the GM of the Pittsburgh Pirates

Cashman:  Really? Still?  (Clears throat)  We're giving AJ Burnett away.  Do you want him?

Huntington:  Let me check with my boss!

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Re: Pirates 2018

Postby abpk2903 » January 10th, 2018, 2:57 pm

I just don’t understand how anyone can defend the organization right now.  I can pull up lots of prior threads on this very board about how 2017-2018 seasons were the Pirates “window” to be great. We heard they should keep this stock pile of prospects so they can make a run.

Also, the Pirates did a great job managing AJ Burnett? Let’s be real, they got lucky on a retread of a aging ailing pitcher for the 1st time in 20 years. Then refused to give him a fair deal so he spent time in Philly when he could have gotten the Pirates an additional win or two that would have won the division that year.

Oh yeah, speaking of giving away wins early in the year. Let’s discuss how this organization continuously leaves a talent player or two in Indy until mid June to avoid arbitration.  They never bring their 25 best players north in April. They bring the 25 the best fit their budget north. If they didn’t give away a handful of wins with keeping talented players in Indy, they would have probably won at least 1 division title in that 13-15 window. 

Worst professional sports team in America. Worse than the Browns.

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Re: Pirates 2018

Postby knowitall » January 10th, 2018, 2:59 pm

Crimson's Ghost wrote:
knowitall wrote:Bad deal Neal should have been fired in 2010, 2012 and 2016.

Shouldn't have been fired after 2013,2014,and 2015. 
Adds up with my line of thinking that he's a good GM when the team is good. 

A good GM would have never allowed 2016 to happen on his watch.  John Freaking Jaso!

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Re: Pirates 2018

Postby DragonsDoExist » January 10th, 2018, 3:17 pm

Liriano posted career highs in ERA, WHIP, BB/9, BAA, etc.

Walker had decent HR #s his first year in NY but also missed 50+ games each of the past 2 years on the DL.

Alvarez like Crimson stated was in the minors for most of 2017.

And the 2 prospects the Pirates gave Toronto in the Liriano have yet to get out of AA.


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