AAAAA Final: Gateway vs Archbishop Wood

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Re: AAAAA Final: Gateway vs Archbishop Wood

Postby GoldenRamsFAN » December 10th, 2017, 6:53 pm

I’ll disagree with one thing you say deepcreek....pine-Richland would have made the old 4a finals. They were the best team in the state and I personally don’t think it was close.



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Re: AAAAA Final: Gateway vs Archbishop Wood

Postby konjo78 » December 10th, 2017, 7:23 pm

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deepcreek wrote:Just look at the numbers since 2008 in larger classifications.  Outside of North All form WPIAL ,Philly Catholic league has dominated.  If not them, then another catholic/private.   LaSalle College, St Joes, Erie Catherdral, Archbishop Wood, Bishop McDevitt, Imhotep have dominated the larger classifications.  Pine Richland win was an oddity in the same way Seton LaSalle beating Imhotep a few years ago.   6 classifications did give the ability for some of these schools to spread out, otherwise we may have had an St Joe vs Erie Prep final this year in the old AAAA.

The WPIAL has shown that it is not the highest brand of football in the state and the Philly Catholic league takes the "open enrollment"policy to new levels.   You can say everyone just needs to get better, but in the end teams can just pop up like neumann goretti did this year.  

So, keep your head firmly in the sand and keep drinking the WPIAL koolaid.

You can't look at anything but the past 2 years because 6 classifications changed everything!  I've said that countless times in idk how many threads on here.  You can't compare 4 classifications to 6.  Teams are reshuffled and stuff has changed.  The WPIAL will literally only have 9 teams the next two years in 6A.  Only has like 14 now.  Of course the bigger schools are going to be better.  Just as Western PA is littered with more small schools, Eastern PA has far more big schools.  It's odds dude.  Even with that, let's look at the past two years which is most recent and relevant

A- 2016: Clairton Runner Up/ 2017: Jeanette Champ
AA- 2016: Steel Valley Champ/ 2017: Not Represented in Finals
AAA- 2016: Beaver Falls Champ/ 2017: Quaker Valley Champ
AAAA- Lots of Catholic (I'll give them one), but Cathedral Prep is Erie, not Philly
AAAAA- 2016: Not Represented/ 2017: Gateway Runner Up
AAAAAA- 2016: Central Catholic Runner Up/ 2017: Pine Richland Champ

12 total championship games, the WPIAL won or was represented in 8 of them.  Not sure how that is "over rated".  

I'm not sure your point with Philly to be honest.  With 8 of the 12 games having WPIAL teams represented and 5 championships I'd think you'd be more upset that the WPIAL all starts are cleaning up.  Not to mention the number of division one athletes.  Pine has 2 going to ND alone.  The 6 classifications clearly show that in FOOTBALL there is not public/private problem and yes, the WPIAL is still superior.  

Will agree to disagree on that private/public statement but the rest is pretty spot on

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Re: AAAAA Final: Gateway vs Archbishop Wood

Postby knowitall » December 11th, 2017, 5:39 am

deepcreek wrote:I did not say they suck.  WPIAL is a good region, but the WPIAL arrogance is unfounded.  God did not denote Pittsburgh as the epicenter of the football world.

The WPIAL extends far beyond Pittsburgh.  

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Re: AAAAA Final: Gateway vs Archbishop Wood

Postby Fballrules17 » December 11th, 2017, 6:27 pm


The WPIAL has shown that it is not the highest brand of football in the state and the Philly Catholic league takes the "open enrollment"policy to new levels.   You can say everyone just needs to get better, but in the end teams can just pop up like neumann goretti did this year.  

So, keep your head firmly in the sand and keep drinking the WPIAL koolaid.   


Wow, someone has it in for the WPIAL.  I've stated on another thread the WPIAL has more good teams and in some cases more bad teams at the lower levels 1A, 2A, and 3A than any other district.  This because they have more teams than other district, period.  This explains why they win more championships at those levels than any other district.  Take Homer-Center for example.  They finished #2 in the state but would not finish higher than 4th in the WPIAL Eastern Conference.  That doesn't even take into account Rochester, California, OLSH from other conferences.  They would have had a very difficult time reaching the quarterfinals. 

The exact opposite is true at the higher levels.  Last year the WPIAL had 13 6A schools, District 1 (Philly suburbs) had 33, District 12 (Caltholic League and Philly City) had 12.  That's 45 teams out of the East.  Yet the WPIAL has won 2 of the last 5 largest state titles since District 12 started to participate.  Prior to that the WPIAL won 6 out 9 at the highest level with far more bigger schools in the east. 

Over the past 25+ years the WPIAL has performed very well at the lower levels (as they should) but they have also performed better than they should at the higher levels.  They have won more State titles than District 1 (the district with the most big schools) 16 to 6.  And you are saying other people have their head in the sand?

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Re: AAAAA Final: Gateway vs Archbishop Wood

Postby Fballrules17 » December 11th, 2017, 6:41 pm

Fballrules17 wrote:
The WPIAL has shown that it is not the highest brand of football in the state and the Philly Catholic league takes the "open enrollment"policy to new levels.   You can say everyone just needs to get better, but in the end teams can just pop up like neumann goretti did this year.  

So, keep your head firmly in the sand and keep drinking the WPIAL koolaid.   


Yet the WPIAL has won 2 of the last 5 largest state titles since District 12 started to participate.

That should read 4 out of 11.  Didn't realize D12 has been involved that long.

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Re: AAAAA Final: Gateway vs Archbishop Wood

Postby deepcreek » December 11th, 2017, 6:47 pm

Yes true.  North All. 2 times, PCC once, and now PR.   

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Re: AAAAA Final: Gateway vs Archbishop Wood

Postby CoffinCorner » December 11th, 2017, 8:33 pm

Would the playoffs be better to have them play out like the basketball playoffs having multiple seeds advancing.   Such as 5-3 playing 10-1 and 6-2 playing 7-4 seed?

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Re: AAAAA Final: Gateway vs Archbishop Wood

Postby Crimson's Ghost » December 11th, 2017, 9:23 pm

They could eliminate District playoffs and just enter however many teams per district to get to 32 teams.

For instance District 5 has 5 or 6 schools, they get one bid. The top ranked team in District 5 gets to go to the state tournament, thus making the regular season very important. The WPIAL has like 25 teams, so they get 6 bids...and so on and so forth.


Just one big tournament is what I'd like to see.


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