The Big 4 of Shade

[ctindian00]

Con Valley was 4-1 when Shade beat them, I do think that's a winning record the last time I did my math.

NO your wrong they were 1-3....Try again

No win against a winning team, Thier highlight of the season is a almost win over Holidaysburg.....LOL, who celebrates losing.


If your not first, your last

-Ricky Bobby

No, YOU'RE wrong...they were 1-2 before they played Shade. I think you are overlooking the point. The point is, regardless of who they have beat, they are a good team, and I dont think any coach in the area would argue that they could compete in the top half of the LHAC. I'm sorry, but you can have a million percent prejudice certainty that Shade is bad becuase they're from the WestPAC, but that still doenst make you right.


Here's a question..and an honest one? Why is it that people from schools in the LHAC are so quick to dismiss the notion of any team from the WestPAC being good? Every year, 2-3 teams from D-5 make it to the state playoffs and, usually, they are from the WestPAC. Those team often times beat teams from D6 (mostly from the LHAC) and D7 and move one to the next round of the playoffs, at least. Every once in a while we get a strong team that pushes through to the elite 8 round or so. My question is, though, if teams from the WestPAC beat teams from the LHAC in the state playoffs more often than not, why is it so hard for someone from the LHAC to just say..."ok, i guess that WestPAC is pretty good."? I mean..jsut becuase you arent the greatest conference in football, does NOT mean you lack in basketball as well.

Perfect example is the Big East. Every year, only 1 team from the Big East has a shot at the BCS championship and sometimes there arent any teams with that kind of shot. This year, their best team was Cincinatti with like a 10-2 record. Good, but those wins were against the big east and they dont have a shot at the national title...fair enough.

In basketball though, the Big East is the best conference in college basketball. (and dont spew that crap about duke and north carolina in the ACC) The big east currently has 8 of their 16 teams ranked in the Top 25 with 2 (Pitt and UConn) ranked in the top 3 and there are 3 other teams knocking on the door of the top 25. So yeah, the Big East has at least 8 teams considered to be top class programs in the NCAAs in basketball compared to the ACC (the next closest conference) with only 4.

The Big East will probably take a logn time before they get to the point where one of their teams wins the BCS championship. The football programs arent as big and they dont have as much talent to draw from as other conferences (Big 12, SEC). But in basketball, they are alwasy right up there with the best of them and are constantly producing Final Four and championship teams. Since 2003 Big East has had 2 National Champions, 4 final four teams, and over 10 elite 8 teams.

Now I'm just rambling. Anyway...can we PLEASE put to rest this stupid crap line of thinking that says that just becuase WestPAC couldnt compete in LHAC in football means they couldn't in basketball either...its a lame argument.

What makes the LHAC better in basketball than the WestPac? Nothing. You can say they have more talent, i say they have more AA, AAA, and AAAA teams therefore not a fair comparison. The best teams in the WestPAC could easily compete with the best A and AA teams in the LHAC plain and simple.

[thetruth22]

Im not missing the point, YOUR missing the point everyone is crowning them as a great team.

They havent won a tournament they have been in yet.

They havent beat a team with a winning record.

And thier only highlight is a almost win against Holidaysburg

You cant say they can compete in a conference that year in and year out is 5 times better than the conference they are in now, when you havent even beatin a team with a winning record, lets be honest here.

Me being honest Shade will win the WestPac, and thats as far as it goes, win something first before you start calling a team great or even good for that matter, hell they already have lost 3 games this season its not even Janaury yet...

A good way you can tell if the "WestPac" teams can compete in the LHAC...Look at the history of the Mountian Cat Tourny, how many times has a team from a WestPac school won the tournament. Better yet how many games have the WestPac actually won in the tournament not facing another WestPac team. NUmbers dont lie. They just cant compete...

Thats a shot of reality wake up!!!!!!!!!

[muckitup]

If todays Tribune is correct then Wed paper had bad info and I stand corrected. To get back to the truth's post of celebrating a loss I don't believe there were any celebrations. People simply stated that they saw a great game for only being the beginning of the season and felt that they got their money's worth. As far as you wanting to bet money on what is going to happen two months from now I think you are being a little premature. Wait a month or so then come back and ask for any bets.

[thetruth22]

If todays Tribune is correct then Wed paper had bad info and I stand corrected. To get back to the truth's post of celebrating a loss I don't believe there were any celebrations. People simply stated that they saw a great game for only being the beginning of the season and felt that they got their money's worth. As far as you wanting to bet money on what is going to happen two months from now I think you are being a little premature. Wait a month or so then come back and ask for any bets.

If im premature on my BET'S than let's be fair by saying everyone is premature by saying that Shade is a great team and they should be proud of what they have done...when they havent beating a team with a winner record and they already have 3 losses before janaury

[SFchief14]

Truth is right man. You guys tell us that we are wrong and its too early to judge Shade so how can you guys call Shade a great team when they have three losses already AND ITS NOT JANUARY!!! If they win something of importance I will humbly admit that Shade is above par. Until they show me something incredible, right now , I will stick with my opinion and say they are good NOT great.

[muckitup]

Truth, never in any of my posts did I say Shade is a great team, simply saying from what I watched of them so far is that they are playing nice ball with alot of teamwork. I totally agree with ya that how things shake down in the next month or so in D5 could be quite interesting.

[vpride13]

it is way to early do be saying "they didnt beat a team with a winning record", township started out 0-5 last year and they went to the top of the list by the end, and shade IS a GREAT team, u guys can sit here and say they arent, but whatever, thats your opinion, and the last time a team in the west pac won a tourny was last year when shade won down homer center, and they woulda won this year in the mountain cat, they had a tough break at the end, and no excuses but you are gonna cut them down and talk crap on them when they are doing good. That's crazy, and SF talks about how they shut shade down only letting them score 29, well i was at that game and all that team did was pass the ball around for 5 minutes a possesion and didnt even play basketball. If there was a shot clock that team would be in trouble. but they were a good team, im def not cutting them down but thats just the worst basketball to play ever. Not even basketball in my book

[DrJerkyllMrHide]

:?: After reviewing Friday night's scores, SF vs Shanksville, I'm left with this unanswered question....Are the BB teams from SF and Shanksville comparable this year?

That's crazy, and SF talks about how they shut shade down only letting them score 29, well i was at that game and all that team did was pass the ball around for 5 minutes a possesion and didnt even play basketball. If there was a shot clock that team would be in trouble. but they were a good team, im def not cutting them down but thats just the worst basketball to play ever. Not even basketball in my book

[Jhollywood05]

Both teams have been shooting the ball very pourly but Sofo defense have been winning them games from all i can see it does look like shade cud be the team to beat just cuz of the returning players n their offensive style of play. but surely do not cut out sofo, NBC, Fannet metal,shanksville n tussey now being single A . any given day one of these teams can beat one another so it shud be fun to watch this year.

[Prince Sidewinder]

I do not think Shade has a player that can play on the next level unless it is at a real small school. They look physically weak, Kaminsky needs to get stronger but if he has not done it at this point apparently he is not going to do it. They are good but just at this level, they will not go very far in the state playoffs.