Shady "Wasn't Penn State Material"...

[WPIAL~Titan]

I fully understand what The Ancient Spin Doctor is saying, but I'm not drinking the Joepa Kool Aid, like you Nitters do. The Ancient Spin Doctor isn't part of the CULT FOLLOWING, JoePa's not a CULT ICON and PSU fan aren't CULT FOLLOWERS...They're just a group of people who follow a charismatic leader and do, say, and believe everything that their leader says...(tic)...

In terms of a well-written post, I agree...but Kirk's futile attempt to insult my intelligence by saying that I don't understand what he is writing is laughable. TAE writes for a newspaper, it's what he does for a living. Did TAE get canned by the Trib Democrap, or is he a TD wannabe?

[WPIAL~Titan]

Joe Paterno is an embarassment to himself and the university he represents. For him to make the statements that I posted in the York (PA) Daily Record show a complete lack of class, and clearly show that he's obsessed with his hatred for Pitt.

Players and coaches of integrity do not publicly discuss the academic records of recruits they have lost. I stress the word INTEGRITY, something that Joe Paterno knows NOTHING about.

Paterno's behavior in this instance is embarassing, reprehensible, classless, and disgraceful. For anyone who isn't blinded by the cult mentality that exists in conjunction with PSU football, that short excerpt speaks a million words regarding what Joe Paterno is really all about.

The greatest thing is, that Curley, Spanier, the Big 10, and the NCAA will NEVER address anything short of felonious behavior from Joe Paterno. He does what he wants, says what he wants, treats media however he wants and has free reign. Indeed, Joe Paterno has become bigger than Penn State itself, and yet is a complete embarassment who has long outstayed his useful tenure.

[The Ancient Enemy]

Titan, for what its worth I apologize for that post being rude towards you. You and I are always gonna fight but its never malicious personally.

As for Joe's comments, did he get backed into a corner? Look, this recruiting stuff is very touchy. The coaches (any coaches, not just Penn State) cannot just come out and reveal how the recruiting process went down for a certain kid, or really any kid. McCoy not "choosing" Penn State was odd for everyone who follows recruiting. He was a lock. His best friend went to Penn State. He was a Pennsylvania kid. There had to be more to the story, and there has always been a big question mark surrounding this situation. People want to know what really happened. Joe has been asked many times why McCoy never came to Penn State. LeSean is now having an excellent season in the NFL, he is no longer in college. I'm not saying Paterno (or any coach) should completely reveal what was obviously a less than favorable recryiting process, esp. when the parents are involved, but the hell is he supposed to do? Sooner or later the truth always come out. Or, at least, perceptions from one side. He's been avoiding the McCoy question for what, 4 years? It always comes up in The Lion's Den, casual fans are still curious as well.

All I am saying is, sooner or later he was either going to get backed into a corner or else he was going to get sick of the question and just spit it out.

I am sure LeSean McCoy is not a child molestor and I am sure he will have an awesome career. Its not about that. This was just about how he ended up somewhere other than Penn State. I know it is Joe's responsibility to keep these things under wraps but this has been going on for 4 years now.

[The Ancient Enemy]

Penn State fans are still sore about this as well. The vast majority of fans don't even realize that there is a university located behind the stadium. They get pissed off bc PSU loses Tavon Austin (WVU), Todd Thomas (prep school now), Fitzgerald (Pitt), Darrell Givens (Rutgers), and LeSean McCoy. They think the staff screwed up the recruiting and cost us great talents. That's not always true. Sometimes it obviously is, just like it is when Florida blows it with a kid. People are still mad about "losing McCoy to Pitt". They don't realize that Royster has had a wonderful year, that Kinlaw ran for over a thousand yards. Royster and Kinlaw are not better than LeSean McCoy.

But we'll see next season how much these jerk fans miss all the extra yards Royster gains when he twists ahead and its now 2nd and 6 instead of 2nd and 7.

[KirkHerbstreit]

I fully understand what The Ancient Spin Doctor is saying, but I'm not drinking the Joepa Kool Aid, like you Nitters do. The Ancient Spin Doctor isn't part of the CULT FOLLOWING, JoePa's not a CULT ICON and PSU fan aren't CULT FOLLOWERS...They're just a group of people who follow a charismatic leader and do, say, and believe everything that their leader says...(tic)...

In terms of a well-written post, I agree...but Kirk's futile attempt to insult my intelligence by saying that I don't understand what he is writing is laughable. TAE writes for a newspaper, it's what he does for a living. Did TAE get canned by the Trib Democrap, or is he a TD wannabe?

Speaking of obsessed, I would hate to see what would happen to poor Joepa if trackstar Titan was locked in a room with him. Seems to be alot of anger festering inside.

[WPIAL~Titan]

TAE, I never any hard feelings toward you. I always respect your posts. You write well and think as logically as a member of the Nittany Lion Football Cult can think. We will disagree on 95% of things involving PSU football, Paterno, and Penn State. That's fine by me. I like a good debate.

With that said, what JoePa said in the York newspaper was completely classless and uncalled for. Here's the link, scroll down about halfway:

http://ydr.inyork.com/ydr/sports/ci_14111511

I suspect that what Paterno is saying is not 100% true (Of course he would spin the whole thing to make himself look good!!!), but even if it is true, then why would he beat a dead horse and drag McCoy and his family through the mud? It is a dead issue and he should leave it as such. Yet, Paterno continues to say what he wants, do what he wants, and act how he wants with no repercussions.

I don't buy the BS of JoePa being "backed into a corner" on the whole Shady McCoy issue...backed into a corner by who? The media? The call-in talk shows?? People on the Lion's Den measage board???? Give me a break. Paterno is a professional representative of the university and should respond in kind, and rise above any frustrations that he may be harboring regarding the McCoy situation. "JoePa had no choice; He was backed into a corner" is an EXCUSE for terrible and classless judgement on his part.

Of course, there is a much bigger problem here. The elephant in the room that nobody wants to talk about is that Paterno does, says, and acts any way he wants to. This is a huge issue that is bringing disgrace and embarassment to the program, which the NitWit Cult refuses to acknowledge, let alone deal with.

...Paterno put his hands on an official TWICE over the past 5 years on national television with no visible/known repercussions from anyone. Paterno threw the college president and the AD out of his house when they asked him for his resignation/retirement. Paterno continues to allow ranagades and felons to be a part of the football program, and turns his head the other way, or more inappropriately, practices Depth Chart Justice (ie: The higher the player is on the depth chart, the less severe the disposition.) Paterno takes players who are far from scholars-Wedderburn, Felder, Clark just to name a few. Penn Staters deny this, but it is what it is, and it's obvious to people outside the program.

[frostlion]

Paterno probably should not used a specific example (person) when discussing this matter, but by all accounts, he probably was correct in assessing McCoy's academic ability and determination. What it means now is probably next to nothing. This probably would be a non-issue for this board had Paterno been talking about a player who went to Michigan rather than Pitt. I for one, wish him the best as I do all college athletes who head to the pros. I've had several of these young men in class. To often many of these young men feel themselves invincible, only to find themselves destitute a decade later.

Speaking of academics and athletics...here is a wonderful article on Paul Jones...

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbu ... 60356.html

[The Ancient Enemy]

Now we are throwing Gus Felder under the bus? Or are you talking about Brandon Felder, the freshman WR? And once again there is a Wedderburn reference without any story whatsoever.

What is the problem with Darryl Clark? Kiski Prep is a lot different than Milford, buddy.

Titan, what soured Joe on McCoy was that McCoy told Joe that he wanted to "get paid". Paterno knew the kid had no intentions of staying and graduating. And, he didn't at Pitt either. That kid of stuff will put you in Joe's doghouse for life. The "get paid" remark was given to a credible source from the coaching staff the,selves, at the time. Maybe its all hearsay, but it seems pretty accurate.

[shocker]

Please explain (without spinning) the difference between Milford and Kiski.

[frostlion]

It's difficult to gauge prep schools, but Kiski is generally regarded as being more sound academically. There are various ways to assess "better". Kiski has a larger percentage of teaching faculty holding terminal degrees in their fields and boasts a higher percentage of graduates who eventually attend college, and a higher percentage who receive full academic scholarships. Of the two however, one thing is quite obvious, Milford is much more of a football "mill" than Kiski. Have a look at their web pages and it will be quite obvious.