Ligonier Valley to the LHAC

[richaboli]

Rich

This dog and pony show had nothing to do with the best interest of the kids so please do not give them any credit for manuvering the system.

LiggybyProtest:
I never implied that the LV administration was doing things with the students best interest in mind. That's really a separate matter that I didn't address. I implied that every immature adult who is on any conference committee should stop holding grudges and start acting like adults by doing what is right and honorable. That means turning the other cheek and strive to do what is best for every area school in this area. In a nut shell, if Ligonier Valley did change their mind, screw up, or whatever, everyone needs to immediately forget about it and do what's right for them. That is the way mature, successful people handle things.

While posters are assuming that the Heritage and LHAC were in limbo until LV made their decision, keep in mind that this might not actually be the case. (And yes, I incorrectly even slipped into that impatient assumption). Every organization has deadlines in their by-laws. Ligonier Valley apparantley made their decisions before the required deadlines. For instance, the PIAA allows schools until the middle of December to decide if they are going to play up a class. This means that 110 teams in the WPIAL won't know until late January or February which conferences they will be in. They won't know until late February what their schedules will be. Surely the 23 or so teams in the LHAC and the Heritage Conferences can also wait. Ligonier Valley apparently told the WPIAL before their deadline that they weren't joining them. Ligonier Valley also never officially withdrew from the Heritage, and never made official application to the LHAC. A good reason for them not making those hard decisions earlier than this is that the Heritage and LHAC by-laws don't require decisions until now or later. It always takes months to get committee and board decisions decided upon because of time periods before meetings. Making conference schedules can be completed in one day so don't require nine months to get that done. Next football season is a whole nine months away. It's unrealistic to expect decisions be made concerning next season before this high school football season has even ended.

[coachcarter]

When a team switches conferences it affects not just that team and the conference they are leaving, it affects many schools and other conferences. In Ligonier's case the lhac would have to adjust their schedules, the Heritage would have open dates and the westpac would have been affected by Ridge entering the lhac with Ligonier. alot of westpac schools fill their open weeks with Ridge, so they would be scrambling to fill up their schedules also. I agree that Ligonier needed to make the decision they did now and not put it off until later in the year. It isn't easy scheduling high school sports. they are done months to a year in advance. Ligonier did have a responsibility to decide sooner then later.

[cleaverstuart]

This move will definately effect CR the most since I'd image that the Heritage WestPc agreement to play each other on th open dates will still be (back) in effect. This will also help with the lower levels with freshman being moved up (just like the West PAC) that these schools will most likey play the JV and 7-8th grade game. This will leave CR scrambling even more .
PS I have heard that the LHAC application process was droped from the school board meeting after public out cry at a couple Liggy area functions, so the Richland loss did play a big role. Although Liggy might drop to sinle A in the future Richland will drop at the same time if not before

[hornets69]

Rich

This dog and pony show had nothing to do with the best interest of the kids so please do not give them any credit for manuvering the system.

LiggybyProtest:
I never implied that the LV administration was doing things with the students best interest in mind. That's really a separate matter that I didn't address. I implied that every immature adult who is on any conference committee should stop holding grudges and start acting like adults by doing what is right and honorable. That means turning the other cheek and strive to do what is best for every area school in this area. In a nut shell, if Ligonier Valley did change their mind, screw up, or whatever, everyone needs to immediately forget about it and do what's right for them. That is the way mature, successful people handle things.

While posters are assuming that the Heritage and LHAC were in limbo until LV made their decision, keep in mind that this might not actually be the case. (And yes, I incorrectly even slipped into that impatient assumption). Every organization has deadlines in their by-laws. Ligonier Valley apparantley made their decisions before the required deadlines. For instance, the PIAA allows schools until the middle of December to decide if they are going to play up a class. This means that 110 teams in the WPIAL won't know until late January or February which conferences they will be in. They won't know until late February what their schedules will be. Surely the 23 or so teams in the LHAC and the Heritage Conferences can also wait. Ligonier Valley apparently told the WPIAL before their deadline that they weren't joining them. Ligonier Valley also never officially withdrew from the Heritage, and never made official application to the LHAC. A good reason for them not making those hard decisions earlier than this is that the Heritage and LHAC by-laws don't require decisions until now or later. It always takes months to get committee and board decisions decided upon because of time periods before meetings. Making conference schedules can be completed in one day so don't require nine months to get that done. Next football season is a whole nine months away. It's unrealistic to expect decisions be made concerning next season before this high school football season has even ended.

Obviously your out of touch with the way things went down when the merger happened. The first year of the merger (last year) Heritage schools (with the exception of Penns Manor who opted to go for the undefeated season and only play 8 games) struggled to find games to fill out the open week that they were supposed to play Laurel Valley. Some of the schools had to travel way out east, pittsburgh, erie schools, or to out of state games. The district 6-0 committee allowed schools to take the average of their points to fill in the void in Penns Manors case for seeding purposes. This year, they said the schools must find a 9th game for class A or they would not get any points for that game. Not only is it tough to find a game, but to find a game where the empty week is located, but then to have the school be a Class A or Class AA school. When the heritage was actively searching last year, for that very reason the wpial wouldn't release teams that had some interest in joining from the wpial becuase they would have had the exact same bye week problems until the next cycle and they realign their conferences.

[Pittfan6]

The handling of the liggy change in conferences by the school board is just another example of how out of touch with reality the school board and the 2 or 3 people that control the board are. They did make the right choice to stay in the heritage but only after pressure was applied to the 2 or 3 people that contol the board.

[Blue Blood]

To hornets69: You need to get your facts straight before you come on here and bash PM again. PM did NOT opt for an undefeated season as you have proclaimed. We conducted an active search for an 8th week opponent even during the first few weeks of the season. We picked up Bishop Walsh this season, so we were not adverse to an out-of-state team. You were correct when you pointed out that depending on the particular game date, the possibilities to fill a date are much better (the earlier in the season, the better).

[hornets69]

Just read the newspapers from last year. They all stated that Penns Manor opted not to play a larger school(s) that had the open week and thus the reason for the 8 game schedule. I guess you better cry to the Indiana Gazette, Altoona Mirror, and Tribune-Democrat for false reporting.

[joy_land_dancer]

Just read the newspapers from last year. They all stated that Penns Manor opted not to play a larger school(s) that had the open week and thus the reason for the 8 game schedule. I guess you better cry to the Indiana Gazette, Altoona Mirror, and Tribune-Democrat for false reporting.

Hornets go suck it. I am a nuteral heritage fan. Before you know what it is like to pick up a game during week 8 then you can shove it. The only false reporting was from the hospital about your gender because you're such a little baby girl on this website. Go sit on the toilet again and see if you tinkle or do a 2. Little drama queen.

[Blue Blood]

Passed on 1 quad A school from out east that was looking for a home and home. If you want to call that opting for an undefeated season, go ahead and continue living in your little fantasy world. We were searching for a reasonably equal sized opponent (A or AA).

[hornets69]

Passed on 1 quad A school from out east that was looking for a home and home. If you want to call that opting for an undefeated season, go ahead and continue living in your little fantasy world. We were searching for a reasonably equal sized opponent (A or AA).

First, congrats on the great win against Bellwood and District 6-0 championship. It was a beatdown. Ferens and Vodapivic (spelling?) couldn't be stopped. Bellwood was unprepared for Ferens speed (I'm guessing around 11.0 in the 100m speed) and the cutbacks.

Call it what you want, but It sounds to me like you were looking for an easier way to maintain an undefeated season. Then again maybe you would have beat the AAAA school and got a ton of respect for the program instead of option for the easy way out like penns manor is known for.

Penns Manor has the reputation of being dirty and chippy becuase over the past 10-20 years they have been. This new group may have changed, they may not have, but its a reputation they have to shed. It doesn't help when the coach acts like a jackwagon in the past in the newspapers and on the radio tries to declare themselves co-champs when they lost the head to head matchup. bill packer thats who.

http://www.msa-sports.com/game.asp?regi ... &team=5173

just go to 2:58:40

Now fast forward to 2010- You got the Heritage Conference Championship and then to 2011 the District 6-0 championship. you and uncle billy packer can claim being champs all you want. It just rubs people the wrong way when you try to claim you are champs when you really aren't.