Officiating

[d6footballfan]

I agree with roaminthehalls. The issue is more about balance. Collegiate games you'll find are much more physical but consistency and boundaries are the rule. If they are allowing one team to play a much more physical game than the other, then that is an issue; of which does happen quite often. I have always advocated a check system be employed so that independent review can verify the officials are balanced and fair. The only way officials are checked today is that schools who perceive they had a bad game(s) by a set of officials is to send a game tape to the PIAA with supporting context of their grievances. I have personally seen that happen, but it took several schools presenting tapes and evidence to the PIAA to convince the PIAA to take action against an entire crew for very bad officiating at the same field home field of one team over the course of almost an entire season. Late in the season the school AD was notified the crew that had been using was no longer allowed to officiate PIAA games. True story, they were that bad. However there is not a person that frequently shows up unannounced at games and performs a true and independent evaluation. I'm certain over time once the evaluator becomes public knowledge that kind of system would fall apart. I was at a game this week where that would have been great to have an independent show up to perform an evaluation as it was in my opinion very obvious what was taking place. The one team complained the whole game the ball being used was to flat. Its an easy thing to check and not a timely break to check the ball, but the officials refused to check the ball even at halftime. Also the amount of contact given was extreme, but I felt more to ones teams favor than the other, especially underneath and close to the basket where the team that complained about the ball had an obvious advantage in size, the officials allowed an extreme amount of contact the resulted in no calls and a very low pass and score percentage. All of that is my opinion though. Most times the team that would have complained about the ball and excess contact really don't care to go through a process of sending game tape and writing statements as typically that falls on deaf ears until multiple schools complain about the same things from the same crew. Also they don't want to be perceived as crybaby's about every loss. Also these officials are smart enough not to be dumb, and they are not on the same floors over and over doing the same things, except in the case like I mentioned above. I think a social site that allows fans who witness games to log in and rate officials is long over due. The power of the crowd would overweigh those individual opinions, and if there were a game that many objected to, then the proof is recorded.

[carom]

Perfectly blocked shot by Ryan Fyock. It's the athleticism that the officials can't keep up with. The photo of Ryan is a perfect example (do you see the separation between Ryan and Carter) or one can assume that the players don't determine the outcome. That's not a bang bang play requiring instant replay. There were fouls that should have been called as intention against Shanksville that were not. Fyock driving the length of the floor at the end of the first half getting fouled and then thrown to the floor. Also at the end of the game when he was grabbed by the jersey and spun around like a top. A loose ball scrum with Wade Walker on the floor covering the ball and a Shanksville player jumping on his back with no opportunity to get a jump ball. Muggings by Shanksville on rebounds. Plenty of opportunities for Shade's players to be hurt. The officiating was absolutely horrid. If this is the best the county can offer for the biggest game of the season ...

[Oldskoolhoops]

Thanks for reminding me, Dylan glessner jumped on wade walkers back for that loose ball like it a scrum in football and everyone was trying to recover the fumble except he wasn't trying to recover a fumble he was just one the guys that wanted to add to the pile up. How that was a jump ball and not a foul on glessner is mindboggling

[Manfred]

There's a big difference between a little hand checking, a little body leaning, and knocking someone to the floor. It's either a charge, or a block. Period. Unless its the NBA.

[roaminthehalls]

Starting to sound like some Shade fans whining here. I didn't say they called a perfect game (never saw one), I said they were consistent. Every game has missed calls. Sometime things don't get called because they refs don't see them. Do the math, 3 refs/10 players, they can't watch everybody all the time. Sometime they seem to anticipate and call things before they happen (then they look bad when it doesn't happen). That's what seems to have happened in the photo of Fyock making the block. Anyone who has played the game knows that sometimes you get away with a foul, and sometimes you get called for a foul that wasn't there. You can only hope they even out in the end. Oh yeah, I almost forgot, someone mentioned this forum being directed at D5 officials. NOT TRUE! Once again, let me remind you that this started as a post about a D6 crew. Not that it matters.

[Nets77]

Officiating in all Districts is poor in general. It's the same in Maryland. I think the biggest problem is that most officials can't keep up with the action and are out of position to make the proper call. I was at a game at McConnellsburg a few weeks ago and the one official was limping so bad he couldn't get up and down the floor, most times he didn't even go to the scorer's table to report the foul, he just yelled across the floor. The score keepers were getting confused and had to have him repeat himself numerous times. Teams get a break away and an official is so far behind the play they can't really see if there is a foul or not.

[Manfred]

Just for the record, I was speaking of officiating across the board. I could care less about Shade -or- Shanksville.

[growaset]

You comments have no merit, you do not call a game different in one part of the state to the next. The old let them play attitude is ruining the game. If the coach was any kind of a coach, he would have thew commonsense to tell his players to adjust.
You comments are the typically scape goat comments the under educated make

[BBrian]

I was at the ICC championships at claysburg the choice of referees at these games had a lot to be desired, District 6 refs doing these games these refs probably did the games for the icc north regular season. It was obvious these refs knew the coaches and players of bellwood antis. If your going to have a championship game make it fair, get referees that dont know either team! SF was saddled with foul trouble early in the game, Bellwood was in the bonus before the first quarter was up, was in the double bonus early in the second quarter. One foul was made up under the sf basket after a made basket with 8 tenths of a second left on the clock, resulting in two free throws for bellwood at the close of the quarter. Witnessed many made one-sided calls everytime the game would get close whether it would be a palming the ball call (4 times) from a college bound player! Funny has not been called more than a couple times all year. Did these refs know what a palming the ball is or are all the other refs wrong? Or a walk or a foul whatever it took to keep bellwood in the lead. Fairly called game where the refs know neither team probably may have resulted in a different outcome. Game was refereed by Reimer, he didnt do a bad job, but the other two Redfoot and Laratonda seemed to be one-sided. She made many calls 45 to 60 feet away from the call. And some of the foul calls Redfoot made were right in front of me, and i have no idea what he was looking at.

[CRUSHER92]

I started this topic and will chime back in. I attended the BM vs BC game last night. Lots of bad calls but they went both ways. The only odd thing was the questionable calls all went in favor of BC in the first half and BM in the second half. However, the refs did not really factor in to the outcome of this game whatsoever. Both teams turned the ball over an awful lot. A great deal of these turnovers were not really forced, just quite simply poor ball handling.
It is a position I would never want to put myself in as an official because regardless of a call you are going to upset half of the crowd whether right or wrong. It's just the lack of consistency that kills me. If its not a foul in the first 24 minutes if a game then it can't all of the sudden be a foul in the final 8. To me the best officials out there are the ones that you don't know what their names are. If there is no reason to know or remember them, then they did a fine job!!!!