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Re: Truly there are no words.

Posted: August 13th, 2012, 9:00 pm
by abpk2903
The thing that upsets me the most out of the punishment is A) the fines and B) the scholarship loses. I am fully understanding that Penn State really failed in this issue. As a recent alum, I am willing to admit that. The thing that upsets me the most about the issue is not the cover-up because there really isn't enough evidence or for me I fail to recognize a serious motive. For me it is how unprofessional Penn State has handled this. First, they had no system in place for dealing with a "large scale" criminal on campus. Secondly, they were not proactive once the situation began to get out of hand and remove themselves of Sandusky. Hell he was using PSU games as a lure even to victims while being actively investigated by the AG, listen to his voicemails. They did not go all in helping the investigation put this scumbag behind bars and in fact they lied and impeded the criminal investigation (at least there are charges that they did). Finally, they didn't stand up for their student athletes and let NCAA, Big Ten, and national media put a gun to their head and lead them around like lost puppies. TOTAL ORGANIZATIONAL FAILURE.

Back to the punishments. Is anyone really naive enough to believe Penn State giving $75 million to "charities" is really going to prevent child abuse? Do they realize that in the past this money would have gone to places like the second mile? These people are out there and will always be out there. I DON'T THINK PEOPLE REALIZE THAT PENN STATE IS NOT A FOOTBALL TEAM it is a university that has 3 ways of being funded and they are government funding, tuition, and alumni donations. Fining them to me is like fining customers of K-Mart due to a corporate executive committing crimes. Do you really think fining them will effect the amount the athletic director, football coach, or president is paid? Then who are you punishing? The scholarship loss just doesn't make sense. This mean 20 less athletes somewhere in the country will not be offered a football scholarship due to these sanctions.

To me take away bowl games, take away postseason play, take away TV rights, suspend the football program and make Penn State give 85 scholarships to students on campus for 4 years but don't punish those that have nothing to do with anything in the scandal.

Re: Truly there are no words.

Posted: August 13th, 2012, 9:47 pm
by El-Moldo
Once upon a time there was a single woman who had 4 children. She loved those children. They were treated like gold. The 4 kids had all the advantges of a good home. Great food, nice clothes, entertainment, comraderie with their siblings, nice school district. They had everything a child could want. The only problem was, the mother sold drugs. One day she was caught and went to jail for a long time. The family was divided up into 4 separate foster homes. The kids lives were turned upside down. They all ended up in separate school districts. Hardly ever saw each other. Things were never the same after the disruption of being separated from their mother and other family members. Sometimes people ARE punished for things they did not do. That's just the way it goes sometimes.

Re: Truly there are no words.

Posted: August 13th, 2012, 9:53 pm
by abpk2903
So you think that's how it should be?

You think students of Penn State should pay for the acts of an administration when some of them were 7 years old?
El-Moldo wrote:Once upon a time there was a single woman who had 4 children. She loved those children. They were treated like gold. The 4 kids had all the advantges of a good home. Great food, nice clothes, entertainment, comraderie with their siblings, nice school district. They had everything a child could want. The only problem was, the mother sold drugs. One day she was caught and went to jail for a long time.
The kids were adopted by their grandparents that lived in an equally nice neighboring town and all were able to continue to be successful while their mother paid for the acts that she had done in prison. They still enjoy being a member of a great family that has many great members and also become great people. They did not let the one bad apple ruin the bunch.





It easily be rewritten that her children did not pay for her sins.

Re: Truly there are no words.

Posted: August 13th, 2012, 10:47 pm
by El-Moldo
I'm not saying that's how it should be. I'm saying that's often how it is.
As a follow up to YOUR example, yes the grandparent's DID take in the 4 children. However, with 6 people in the family now instead of 2, the grandparents fell on hard times financially, and they eventually lost their home. The 4 children STILL ended up in the original foster home scenario, and the grandparent's went to the county home when they lived out their lives in poverty and dispair. So now you have SIX people affected by what someone else did wrong. I think they call it the snowball effect.

Re: Truly there are no words.

Posted: August 13th, 2012, 11:05 pm
by abpk2903
I understand and that was a great example but I think we are already in the snowball. The victims were hurt by these horrible acts and now it is snowballing to many, many more people. Are they suffering anywhere near what the victims did, no. But there are people, businesses, communities, ect. that are getting caught up in the snowball.

Re: Truly there are no words.

Posted: August 16th, 2012, 4:39 pm
by The Ancient Enemy
Do you seriously think that Tom Corbett was going to expedite the investigation when he was reaching $750,000 in campaign donations from The Second Mile?

Re: Truly there are no words.

Posted: August 16th, 2012, 4:49 pm
by The Ancient Enemy
Why cant we just have a criminal investigation and let the chips fall where they may? If Paterno is guilty, so be it.

Why is there now discussion that the emails in the Freeh Report findings are sequentially out of order, do not have time stamps, and the subject headings do not match other emails in the same thread?

Why is the NCAA saying that it does not matter what the outcome of the Curley/Schultz trials ends up being? How is that even possible that they themselves are not even conducting an investigation and they themselves are allowed to say that they are above an actual court decision? What country is this?

Why are we not discussing how the NCAA and Big Ten are profiting from child rape? Where the *** is the information on where this $60,000,000 is going?