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Re: It has come to this.
Posted: December 15th, 2014, 5:29 pm
by cleaverstuart
I found this interesting today. Feel free to move elsewhere
http://blog.pennlive.com/pasports/2011/ ... iting.html
Re: It has come to this.
Posted: December 15th, 2014, 5:31 pm
by cleaverstuart
p.s. I know its and old article but it was on my facebook and another blog site today
Re: It has come to this.
Posted: December 15th, 2014, 10:57 pm
by d6footballfan
good read CleaverStuart, thnx for sharing
We have in my own back yard our own bit of recruiting gluttony going on in my small public A school district. Like I said in my previous posts, I am not opposed to the recruiting. I am however struggling with the notion that if this team progresses (as one would expect), as they are mostly younger players who are talented and are even at this young age garnering some attention getting wins. Why then are they staying in the A class and playing pretty much helpless teams who definitely cannot compete?
Unfortunately my family is a victim of where we live and we have all boys and they're respective boys teams are not permitted to get away with such recruiting practices. Their teams have been thrown to the proverbial dumps with very inexperienced and awful coaches. I really feel bad for my sons who are enduring through this. This is what a female libber AD,with a lefty tree hugging administration who literally hates our boys past successes with a vengeful passion offers for my sons.
So can someone tell me what logic is their not to look for better options for my kids? So I guess you gotta fight em or join em, in my case join em.
Re: It has come to this.
Posted: December 16th, 2014, 12:45 am
by Sykotyk
The problem is that classification is based on males in the school from grades 9th through 11th.
A public school has certain students (i.e., all) that they must enroll if they live within their geographic borders and don't opt out for another school (private, home school, cyber, etc). A private school simply takes in whichever students fit their demographics and afford it or receive school or outside sponsorship for tuition.
A public school with a 200 enrollment number is nowhere near on par with a private school with a 200 enrollment number. If the private school counted the hundreds or thousands within their geographic reach that they limit from attending (be it for moral, financial or other reasons)... or if a public school simply 'deleted' the 'bad' students from their school to lower their number (say everything below a C average without physical or mental handicaps that require special education, as well as the delinquents who simply attend because the law requires them to), then we'd have fairness in classifications.
A big issue with Cathedral Prep, Bishop McDevitt, etc opting to no longer play up is now they're in the wheelhouse of winning. But when they were truly pitted against teams more fitting of their classification, it was difficult. They've opted out now for the easy championship.
Recruiting in and of itself is not the issue. The issue is that the teams aren't placed into a proper classification because the mechanism to separate teams into classifications is unable to differentiate between the two types of schools.
So, either outright separation is needed or some type of better criteria is needed to place teams into classifications.
My suggestion would be that a private school gets 'anchored' to whichever public district the school building resides in. If the public district has more than one high school, the public district has to draw geographic borders for the multiple schools and the private school gets anchored to that sub-district. Then, you count all school-age males 9th through 11th that are members of any PIAA sports playing school that reside inside those boundaries. Any student outside those boundaries count double and are added atop the geographic boundary number.
For instance, if PUBLIC resides in a district as the sole public school and there's a PRIVATE school in that district boundary, you count all males that live in that geographic district that attend either PUBLIC or PRIVATE. That total gets listed for both the PUBLIC and PRIVATE school. Then, you count all the students who have come from outside the district (and if there's outside students in the PUBLIC, they get an additional amount as well). Then, you double the number of outside students and add that to the overall total for each school separately.
So, say a district has 250 male students inside the borders. It's a single high school district. 200 attend the public high school. 45 attend the private school in the district. 5 attend a different school (outside the geographic boundaries of this district, such as maybe a different private). Then, let's say the private has 80 students they get outside the district, and the public gets 0. The public gets a 250 for their number, the private gets 360 for their number.
They both draw teams from a particular geographic area, and only one draws from outside that area.
Re: It has come to this.
Posted: December 16th, 2014, 2:29 am
by TheRealBleacherCoach
I didnt word this right. Im with edsel, im not against recruiting because of the option it provides for the kids. I understand that part. With being so involved in wrestling throughout my life I have often wondered why for wrestling their is prep school nationals and season duals with the likes of blair academy and Wyoming seminary to name a few. Why cant their be a prep football league with this same process? Its hard to compare seeing how BG, BM, and Carroll do not have wrestling teams but I still thing a prep league could be a good thing.