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Well, I think it was a disgrace. Taking over campuses, burning down buildings. Were the males really that concerned about what they thought was immorality, or did they just not want to get drafted and have to go over there? Do extraordinary times excuse VIOLENCE? Why isn't there violence today over Iraq. Millions of people think we shouldn't be there either. Kent State was the direct result of all the SOCIAL crap that went down in the late '60's, the free-love, the anything goes attitude on campuses, the "don't want no war, don't want no job neither" attitude. There were "peaceful" demonstrations even at little UPJ in those days. At Kent State, you reap what you sow.

I swear you set out to make as many enemies a day as you possibly can.

The Ancient Enemy wrote: "I swear you set out to make as many enemies a day as you possibly can." This is a great line that I'm going to steal from you and use for my newest putdown.

Moldo, for a guy that seems so intrigued in history, you display such little understanding of it. If there were a body count of 100 or 500 a week in Iraq, I guarantee you there would be violence. I find it amazing that there weren't about 50 Kent States back then. I know hundreds of college administrators thought that way. Everywhere, weeks, even months of classes were cancelled or modified that spring to try to ease the tension. To be honest, for a guy who was saving every penny he had and working every crap job under the sun to get a good college education, that pissed me off more than the protests, some of which I attended with a decorated Nam Vet who roomed next to me.

By the way, everything's an value judgment for you, isn't it?

On April 30, 1970, President Nixon announced on TV and radio that the U.S. had just invaded Cambodia, which broadened the Vietnam War. This, of course, inflamed many anti-war students on college campuses throughout the United States. On Friday May 1, protests occurred across the country. Kent State was no exception. That day, an anti-war rally was held on campus at noon. Fiery speeches were given against Nixon and the war. Shouldn't it have ended there? Why the violence? After all, the entire civil rights movement occurred without violence. Wasn't that what Martin Luther King was known for, non-violence? Instead, at Kent, rioting began in the city that night. Bonfires in the streets, cars overturned, policemen pelted by rocks, windows in businesses broken. How do the demonstraters justify this? Is this normal? Hear news you don't like and riot to prove a point?

[quote="El-Moldo";p="92200"]On April 30, 1970, President Nixon announced on TV and radio that the U.S. had just invaded Cambodia, which broadened the Vietnam War. This, of course, inflamed many anti-war students on college campuses throughout the United States. On Friday May 1, protests occurred across the country. Kent State was no exception. That day, an anti-war rally was held on campus at noon. Fiery speeches were given against Nixon and the war. Shouldn't it have ended there? Why the violence? After all, the entire civil rights movement occurred without violence. Wasn't that what Martin Luther King was known for, non-violence? Instead, at Kent, rioting began in the city that night. Bonfires in the streets, cars overturned, policemen pelted by rocks, windows in businesses broken. How do the demonstraters justify this? Is this normal? Hear news you don't like and riot to prove a point?[/quote]Ever hear of Malcom X?

Malcolm X? Benedict XVI? What's the fasination with Roman numerals anymore?

Well, if you corrected my spelling you have obviously heard of him. I wouldn't say he was that peaceful of a person, at least not until he was killed. Thus your statement on Civil Rights being completely peaceful is quite false.

El-Moldo...wow, "they got what they deserved" are you serious? college students protesting a horrid war that we had no reason to be in were KILLED...KILLED, and you say they deserved that? please.

Just read every post I wrote on this topic. Where did I say "they got what they deserved"? Show me, or recant what you just said. I did say, "You reap what you sow". Big difference. The protestors at Kent State sowed violence, and got violence in return. TOO BAD some INNOCENT kids got killed because of their actions.

Although Malcolm X had violence in HIS life, he did not use violence to promote civil rights, especially after 1964 when he made a pilgrimage to Mecca.... Anyhow, on the eve of the Kent state shootings, how did hearing about our involvement in Cambodia justify rioting in the city of Kent, the burning down of the ROTC building, and the subsequent debacle on the commons the day of the shootings?