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In the 2056 perhaps there will be a post from an anti-Penn State fan, something like this:

"Who cares about Penn State football prior to 2000. That was over 50 years ago and football has changed a ton and a half. Who cares that some ancient guy named Paterno won all those games and a national title or two. They mean nothing now because football has changed."

That would be a ridiculous comment and you know it but reality is that's just what you said!

The younger generation of fans does not seem to appreciate sports history for what it is (general statement...not just PSU fans) and that bothers me.

Your comments would be synonymous with someone coming on here and stating that the world record in the 100 meters in 1936 stunk because it was only 10.2 and that's nothing compared to the 9.7'ish FAT times of today. Yeah, Jesse Owens 10.2, most people don't give a hoot!!!!

Yeah, right coach?!?

Pitt's National Titles, whether you PSU'ers admit it or not, have just as much historical significance as any of PSU's or Pitt's '76 title.

exactly! PSU last title means nothing cause it's ancient history and Pitt's title's mean nothing ancient history. so all we have to fall back on is the last head to head meeting. Joe Paterno can go to his miserable grudge holding grave knowing that. 12-0 !

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so all we have to fall back on is the last head to head meeting. [/quote]

Some powerful logic.

Using the same way of thinking, you sPitt fans should be ashamed because the last meeting of sPitt vs. Shady Side Academy (in 1900) was won by Shady Side Academy 5-0.

I bet Dr. M Roy Jackson went to his miserable grave regretting that one.

Hey, all we have to fall back on is the last head-to-head meeting right?

Attention class, today's history lesson centers around the following numbers. What is their significance?

12-0

and

9-2


WT

An even more puzzling question: Why does this 5 inch tall piece of plastic made in communist occupied China influence when Pitt plays its football games?

PSU can play their games just about any time, except around 6AM when the dairy cows are brought in from the fields for milking.

penn state is one of the nations top agricultural schools

To HR, I'm just saying football then was nowhere NEAR what it is now. The best athletes in that time period seemed to go to baseball. Did blacks play then? Sure it is history and that is how things were back then, but the game is so much different now. 100 meters is still 100 meters. I appreciate old school football and other sports a whole heckuva lot, BUT back in 1909 football was NOTHING like it is today. The game will be different years from now too and that is something I didn't think about. To me though, the old days of football are like the old days of hockey. It was a lot easier to win in hockey when there were less than 10 teams. The analogy is that yes there were more than 10 teams, but.... I don't know how to put it.... Football wasn't as major as it is now. There were also a lot of people that weren't allowed to play back then. I may be way off on this one man.... Personally, I just don't think they hold as much weight.

Coach brings up some points that are worthy of debate about championships that are of the “old era”. I’ve never seen a fan base trumpet these “old” national titles like the Pitt fan base does ( even though on here,the history of the PSU/Pitt series should not count, but we should count "national championships" that Pitt won 100 years ago).

How has the game changed, and why does almost no one take these “titles" seriously?

The Pitt Nation proclaims that 1910 was one of their glorious titles.

In 1910, Pitt went 9-0. Eight of the games were played at home in Pittsburgh, the only away game was in Wilkinsburg, PA against Westminster.

Changes? 8/9 games played at home? That sure happens on a consistent basis.

Boy, I would love to see the explosion on this board if PSU were to schedule 11/12 home games in State College.

Not only in these early years of CFB was their incredible favoritism in the home vs. away scheduling, but even in the number of games played from year to year there was absolutely zero consistency.

For example: in 1918, a year which Pitt fans count as a “national title” the Panthers played a massive 5 games, going 4-1, four of the five games being played in Pittsburgh, the one loss being against the “Cleveland Naval Reserve”.

The game hasn’t changed huh?

The other, massive difference was the reforms dealing with the amounts of scholarships that teams could give. From 1936-1972 a university could grant an unlimited number of scholarships to athletes, a point that I mentioned in this post:

http://www.bleachercoaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=7872

In my opinion, the national championship that Pitt won in 1976 is worth 10 times more than every other “national championship” (added together) prior, that people like Titan love to trumpet.

Thanks again frosty... that is what I mean. 4-1? National Champs?