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No way...even what you showed is not worse.

Cincy- never has been in football
Grambling- 1AA--only appeal is they play Southern and had a good coach
S. Fla- up and coming, but still fairly new to the entire football scene
Navy- been solid the last few years
UConn- new to 1AA recently
Bowling Green- MAC team that has been up and then lost to Temple this year
Syracuse- bottom of the BE two years in a row

At least Army was still Army, Cuse was better in 68 than right now as a program.

Army was 8-2, 8-2 in 66 and 67, then 7-3 in 68 with one loss being to PSU. Look who Miami played in 68 and see why they were 5-5. http://www.jhowell.net/cf/Scores/Miami( ... ).htm#1968
They were also coming off of 8-2-1 and 7-4 seasons the 2 prior years.


Army then, was better than any team on that Pitt schedule next year.

Dnice...check out OPSU's entire sports system and you will take your comment back. There is more than Mens BBall to look at... Fencing, hockey, soccer, volleyball, wrestling, women's hoops for many years, etc etc. I forget the name of the trophy given to the best overall program, but PSU has been near the top several times. They may have even won it.

Also this thread is entirely what the topic is about. I am not ruining an existing thread or making these nearly weekly as has been done on here before.

Again, why was Sukay wavering in the 1st place?

Coach, your way out of it here. I can't speak for Grambling and B.Green and it's tough to compare 5 to 7 games but this is a very close call.....and there are many more 'worse' schedules ever in college football.

Cincy- never has been in football but better this year than 3 of the 5 teams PSU played in '68
Grambling- 1AA--only appeal is they play Southern and had a good coach
S. Fla- up and coming, but still fairly new to the entire football scene Oh, new makes them bad? Didn't they beat WVU....At 8-4 and 4th in Big East they were equivalent this year to PSU's best home opponent, Syracuse at 7-3 in '68
Navy- been solid the last few years Kinda like Army in '68?????
UConn- new to 1AA recently So what new???? better than K-State or Navy in '68
Bowling Green- MAC team that has been up and then lost to Temple this year
Syracuse- bottom of the BE two years in a row and still better than 2 of PSU's 5 '68 home opponents

Your unable to comprehend what Miami, FL football was in the 60's and 70's......I don't believe they had a record = 5-5 for a number of years after '68 and did not gain any national reputation until '79-'80. They were like a Central Florida is now at that time but I'm sure think that can't be true......

In fact that entire season PSU did not play one ranked opponent, home or away....not ONE! what does that say? At least Pitt will have 3 ranked Big East opponents on their schedule next year even if their home is weak compared to their away schedule.

Some Samples of worse home schedules....and not hard to find....I'm in the 60's since that's what I was researching.

Boston College 1965

Buffalo
Villanova
Penn St. (5-5 and best team on schedule)
William & Mary
Richmond
VMI

WVU 1967

Villanova
VMI
Pitt
Va. Tech (7-3 and best team on schedule)
Davidson


I won't waste any more of my time....would be nice to see you admit you might be wrong. Is Pitt's schedule at home very attractive next year, No it isn't....is it the worst ever home schedule by a Div. I football team.....Geesh no way and it shows the hatred you have by even suggesting it.

Okay... I won't admit I am wrong because it is the most disgusting home schedule I've seen in my life by a team in a BCS conference.

In the 60's, the game was different... Unlimited scholarships meant the best teams were the best teams and there wasn't nearly the parity there is today. I don't know much about the era, I wasn't born and my parents were in high school.

In the last 15-20 years, is there a worse home schedule than this?

I just see an attempt at justification that I don't think has much merit. Just look at those teams' names and you have to think wow....

Will any of those teams be in the top 25 next year? How about top 40? Navy and USF have a shot at it... but I wouldn't count on it.

That USF team that upset WVU...also lost to Kansas and Cincy this year.

I am not showing my "hatred" by suggesting this. I honestly don't believe I've ever seen a worse home schedule than this in my life. Go 1990 til now, and it has to rank up there with the worst.

The away schedule they have would be a great home schedule (kind of like what they had this year)... WVU, Louisville, Rutgers, Virginia, and Michigan State.


Back to the whole 60s stuff. Are those teams all independants then? I know BC and WVU were (well WVU was in the Southern Conference that wasn't real good I don't believe). To compare I made the comment that it was the worst for a BCS conference team. They didn't have the BCS back then, but use the major conferences of the time back then and find a worse home schedule. Does a B12, B10, SEC team back in the 60s have a worse schedule... check out the 6th post made where I gave this example. This matters because yeah, teams like Ohio, Buffalo, etc have bad schedules...similar things happened with the independants, etc in the 60's. The point is, they don't even get the better conference opponents at home.... The Big East is a BCS major conference now and that is why when comparing I think it is only fair to use another team from one of the major conferences back in the 60s.

He wasn't really wavering, he was just being a crybaby. As long as he intercepts passes, I don't care how many Kleenex endorsements he picks up.

original post that began the argument was

"Pitt's home schedule next year might be the worst I've EVER... I mean EVER seen in my life."

Now we are going to tweak it, in true Penn St. fashion, so that EVER doesn't mean ever and only means since the BCS? There was no BCS not so long ago.

Your discounting independents? Your saying Penn St. wouldn't have been part of a BCS had it existed in the 60's? or are we just changing the rules and saying that EVER is only since 1990? Remember, your head coach was the same guy in the 60's.

When you say you don't know that much about that era that's exactly my point....when you say worst schedule EVER you better know what your talking about and understand the history of college footballa little bit better before making such a huge statement about a program your obviously trying to defame.

I could go through and I'm sure find other similarly bad home schedules but I'm not gonna waste anymore time because in true Penn State fashion you are always going to be correct. This was the exact kind of thread that you were discouraging by Pitt fans at one time, that's what's amazing.

I do love arguing w/you though man!!

Pitt's home schedule next year might be the worst I've EVER... I mean EVER seen in my life.

See the key words--- MIGHT and MY. My life began in 81 and I didn't know much about football until say 1990ish and then I was still 9.

It honestly might be the worst ever for a D1 BCS conference team at home.

Now I am going historically... with more sincerity. BUT I specify D1 BCS conference team. And yeah... I know PSU was independant back in the day. Many of the northeastern teams were and they played themselves and some other teams, but many independant schedules were littered with bums like some of the teams you showed in your BC and WV schedules...

Post a worse home schedule ever for a BCS conference team... You won't find it in the B10, ACC, SEC, B12...

Why conference team? Because they have tie ins just like Pitt does? Why BCS conference...because teams like Miami Ohio play all the littler guys at home.



The whole point of this is not as much the historical perspective. I started the entire thread focusing on the fact that it is going to be a tough ticket to sell. If nothing else it is probably Pitt's worst schedule at home in the ESPN, new age era of football (where it is just gigantic nationally and teams all over are televised almost nightly through the week). Couple the schedule with what happened this year and Pitt is going to be losing some money. Heck, look at the attendance this year for their games... Free tickets for giving blood, real cheap season tickets, etc. The people just don't go to the games, and this year there was some excitement caused by expectation and a nice home schedule. Now, next year is going to be a tough sell for them....