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Re: NBC Invitational

Posted: April 23rd, 2005, 12:18 pm
by Head Roadie
The whole thing was very bizarre but handled properly....Here's the shakedown:

Once a runner is correct in his analysis. Refer to p. 62 of the rulebook.
However only the ultimate winner in the jumpoff is credited with his best jump. Young, who won after 8 jumpoffs, was credited with 12-6 which was his best jump. T.Young and Hoover automatically tied for second. This was discussed with the jumpers before the jumpoff. There should have been no controversy whatsoever that the two "non-winners" would tie for 2nd and be credited with their best jump in the regular portion of the competition. 12-0. All this is pretty clear in the rulebook. The part that had everyone scrambling was where do you start the jumpoff. After all three cleared 12-0 on second attempts (which ultimately created the tie) Hoover opted for 12-3 and missed while both Young's passed. Both youngs missed at 12-6 on all three. The rule reads that the jumpers should get one extra jump at the height last attempted to begin the jumpoff procedure. The confusion was whether to start at 12-6, 12-3 or let each jumper somehow start at the heights they went out at (which would be totally unfair). Mr. Brumbaugh, the head official found a "note" at the bottom of the rule that stated when passing occurs you should start the jumpoff at the lowest height at which any of the tied vaulters went out at. That's why the jumpoff began at 12-3.
T.Young got the third place ribbon because he lost the coinflip for the second place ribbon despite being tied. The rules do not provide for any tiebreakers for second thru sixth place other than misses at which the tie occurs and then total misses.

Re: NBC Invitational

Posted: April 23rd, 2005, 1:37 pm
by jumper22
Still can't say that i agree with the ruling (not saying that isnt the correct way according to the ruling, just saying the concept doesnt make much sense.) In the end, there were only 2 vaulters left going for first. Also intersting from what ive been told is that the "coin flip" did not involve the coaches from both schools as is done at other meets.
Roadie, do you know what the * next to some kids names in the results indicate. They arent all school records so i was confused. Thanks!

Re: NBC Invitational

Posted: April 23rd, 2005, 2:21 pm
by Head Roadie
By rules 5 or 6 years ago (maybe longer...time flies!) it would have been a three way tie for first and no jumpoff. All the jumpoff was for was a tiebreaker for FIRST place. There are no jumpoff's or tiebreakers when all misses are equal for 2nd place and on down. I haven't been involved in a coinflip for years. They flip in the booth most places. Even at states they flip. Mark Morningstar came home medal-less from a sixth place tie at PIAA meet a few years back because of a coin flip. We didn't question it...the PIAA did it and we waited for a duplicate medal till mid-July.

Posted: April 23rd, 2005, 3:36 pm
by Gunner18
thats all dandy about the jumpoff and what not, i just wanna make a comment towards lemmy...

NO KIDDING?!?!?! curse me and my sarcastic ways! :lol:

Re: NBC Invitational

Posted: April 23rd, 2005, 3:51 pm
by duece2
i didn't realize mark came home without a medal he never said anything about that at the lunch table and i thought i remembered seeing pictures before then of him with his medal around his neck, + the tv airing there near the end of the year after the morning announcements!

oh well just prob my overactive imagination!


but i do agree they should do something with the polevault rules or realy all the jumpoff rules make them more precise and more meaningfull!

duece2

Re: NBC Invitational

Posted: April 23rd, 2005, 3:52 pm
by duece2
yeah gunner i was being sarcastic to you and nobody said anything oh well!

duece2

Re: NBC Invitational

Posted: April 23rd, 2005, 3:53 pm
by duece2
yeah gunner i was being sarcastic to you and nobody said anything oh well!

duece2

Re: NBC Invitational

Posted: April 23rd, 2005, 7:33 pm
by wolverine2
how is a coin flip done with only one person there for the representation?

Re: NBC Invitational

Posted: April 23rd, 2005, 8:46 pm
by duece2
a coin flip between trevor young and travis hoover to see who gets the 2nd place ribbon and who gets 3rd place ribbon since there is no duplicates of ribbons!

duece2