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I agree southpaw. There is no excuse. Adults need to set an example not get into fights with rude kids though. But lets talk wrestling. I can't believe some of the things I am hearing from CR people. You guys won be happy. Shimer dominated Oldham in a close match. And Deputy wrestled a good smart match. Every wrestler on both teams did the best they could for their team last night. some examples:

103- mock keeping ripple to a dec.
112- deputy getting a big upset
119- Howsare coming back and getting a pin.
125- Will holding Horne to a dec. (lost 14-1 at PC)
130- Shimer winning a toss-up
135- Harbaugh winning a toss-up
140- Hartramph not giving up a bonus point against one of CR's best.
145- Obie getting a major dec.
152- Tomovich not getting pinned.
160- Kensinger getting the pin.
171- Davis bumping up and only losing by dec.
189- Lang even though he got pinned was giving Miller all he wanted.
215- A toss-up that went in CR's favor with Sarver.
What I am saying is these kids worked hard even in losses to keep things close so their teams could have a chance to win. They all should be commended. It reminded me of the old days. Except in the old days the good guys won. ;-)

[quote="Bedrock";p="80685"]I was making light of it. You LP, claim to be a conservative and I believe I have read your writings enough to guess you are a churchgoer. When placed in the context of eternity, what does a dozen teenagers banging on a drum during a high school athletic meet matter. It doesn't. We have come to a point where we forget about keeping the main thing the main thing.
The main thing isn't athletics or who is sitting on whose side. If people got as excited as they do about sports over things that mattered we would have a much different nation and culture.

I will end my banter on that subject.

The West bleachers (not the visitors ) would have had the best view of Schnably. I will believe Southy, I guess, that Cole was pinned.

I was also shocked at the Shimer/Oldham match.[/quote]

Not sure what me being a conservative and a churchgoer has to do with this discussion.

I did not witness the incident, as I've stated before. I am only stating what I was told. When the arguement got started on this thread about the incident, it was all putting down the Ridge faithful. I offered another posible explanation of the events.

Bedrock - you can continue to defend the actions of these "kids". That's your right. But they knew their actions were going to cause trouble, yet they did it anyway. Cheering for your school and holding up signs is one thing, cursing out, threatening, and being beligerent is quite another. As an adult, if I had been sitting near them I would have ignored them, and I certainly wouldn't have pulled someone's hair over it. But, if the version told me were true, that one of the kids assaulted someone, or even threatened them, I would have defended myself and my family as well. But in the end, they were allowed to stay, and the Ridge fans weren't. That says something about your beloved Mr. Windows. And as Southy pointed out, rude behavior shouldn't be tolerated at any age.

At Ridge, it is clear that visitors sit on the locker room side. Sure, some "home" fans sit there, and some visitors sit on the other side, but not any type of organization. Having gone to school there, I know there's no way administrators (Mr. Fisher) would have allowed a group of students to sit in the visitors section and cause trouble. He would have stopped it before it got started, by moving them over to the home section. There's this thing called class, that Bedford used to always show, and that most still do. But these kids showed no class, and this isn't the first time I've heard that. Read other posts.

As for the comment about the tire slasher parents being in the stands - I doubt they were. First off, that kid didn't participate in sports, only in getting into trouble. I don't think anyone was offended by the signs they held up. In fact, I thought it was kind of funny - and my tires were slashed. And secondly, I'd like to point out that at one time he went to Bedford and transferred to Ridge.

And to Freddy C - a school can absolutely control where their kids sit. When I got there there were plenty of seats on the "east" side. If their presence was that obvious to someone that never seen them before, surely the school officials knew they were there.

Now - I'm letting this thing go as well.

Back to the matches - I thought Harbaugh wrestled really well too. I too thought that match was going to be a toss up. And I was on the "west" bleachers also, and guaranteed Schnably was pinned. I just thought that Howsare was possibly pinned before it got there. The folks on the "east" bleachers would have had a better view of that.

When Clark sent Crawford out to basically get pinned, and moved Davis up a weight, I thought he lost his mind. But it looks like he knew what he was doing with his matchups. With Davis not getting pinned or maj dec over an opponent that looked to have 15 lbs. on him (I don't know what either weighed, just looked that way), I thought was a tremendous effort.

[quote="Lefteyelouie";p="80708"]I agree southpaw. There is no excuse. Adults need to set an example not get into fights with rude kids though. But lets talk wrestling. I can't believe some of the things I am hearing from CR people. You guys won be happy. Shimer dominated Oldham in a close match. And Deputy wrestled a good smart match. Every wrestler on both teams did the best they could for their team last night. some examples:

103- mock keeping ripple to a dec.
112- deputy getting a big upset
119- Howsare coming back and getting a pin.
125- Will holding Horne to a dec. (lost 14-1 at PC)
130- Shimer winning a toss-up
135- Harbaugh winning a toss-up
140- Hartramph not giving up a bonus point against one of CR's best.
145- Obie getting a major dec.
152- Tomovich not getting pinned.
160- Kensinger getting the pin.
171- Davis bumping up and only losing by dec.
189- Lang even though he got pinned was giving Miller all he wanted.
215- A toss-up that went in CR's favor with Sarver.
What I am saying is these kids worked hard even in losses to keep things close so their teams could have a chance to win. They all should be commended. It reminded me of the old days. Except in the old days the good guys won. ;-)[/quote]

Great analysis on the matches. I agree. The only one you missed was the final heavyweight bout, which I think everyone knew would be a pin for Fitzpatrick.

To LionPride,

#1 - was their behavior inexcusable, ,,,,probably.

#2 - You can call that the visitor's side for wrestling if you like,, but....in defense of the location,,,,, they sit in that spot for girls bball, boys bball, volleyball, etc...

#3 It is so easy for all of the "EXPERTS", to say what should have been done. But you were not in that situation nor will you be in that situation to make decisions like that. In an atmosphere such as last night, there is a lot to handle.....not near worth what they were being paid. PUt yourself in their shoes.

#4 -- no reason to insult Windows here either. You are in no position to do that. You don't know what position he was in.

Good analysis Left-eye. I will say that the underdog wrestlers did well to stay off their backs but one thing that really bugs me is a kid who does nothing but lay on his belly for two periods and not even get a warning for stalling is uncallled for. Both sides were guilty of this but I think a couple of Bedford kids in the lighter weights pushed it past the limits.

That ought to ruffle a few feathers. lol

I'll second Freddy C. I've known Kevin Windows for a long time and he a class act. He reacted to the situation as HE saw it. Maybe he didn't see the way others did. The worst thing he could have done was nothing and it could have escalated into real ugly situation if didn't act the way he thought was appropiate.

that was 1 heck of a match lastnight... one of the best ive seen so far. good luck to both teams in the future

All I have to say is 3 YEARS IN A ROW!!! And Ham don`t even start saying how Bedford has an overall lead all the 2 teams because that doesn`t matter all that matters is that we have had Bedford`s number for the last 3 years and 2 of those were in there own Gym!! The 1st and 2nd county team to beat Bedford in there Gym!!! Way To Go Lions keep working Hard and Great things will happen!!

BTW - what was up with Hassilrig holding his ears when the cheers were really loud? I'm not making fun of him, but it wasn't like it was ear busting. After the one match he stood there holding his ears before he would raise the winners hand.

I thought the fans were loud but nothing like the match two years ago in Bedford when Finnegan pinned Dudek. That was the loudest I have ever heard a HS gym.