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that makes them better? playing worse competition and still having less wins than PSU? that makes USF a better football program?

wow, if that's the case then i quit watching football forever.

Geez count you're either obsessed w/ TAE's obsessions or fact that UPS is marginally better than USF!!

Shouldn't you be more concerned w/ things like: Is there a cure for cancer? Can aids and other major diseases be conquered? Can tooth decay be stopped or at least slowed down with the correct diet?

And in your previous 'crunching', that revealed UPS had one more reg season win than SF, I believe you started from 2001....well, if you just go back one more season 2000 it so happens that UPS was 5-7 & SF was 7-4. Hence, in this decade (or since 2000) USF has one more reg season than the Nitwits! Need you more empirical evidence??

I'm sure if PSU would have been in D1-AA in 2000 they'd have gone undefeated... weren't we talking about D1-A teams? I have no problem with you personally nor am I obsessed with TAE's obsessions, I just hate when people make claims with no evidence to back it up.

count2infinity wrote:I'm sure if PSU would have been in D1-AA in 2000 they'd have gone undefeated... .

USF was DI in 2000.....

count2infinity wrote: I just hate when people make claims with no evidence to back it up.

I think one more reg season win than UPS since 2000 might qualify as evidence....but you're the Science buff; let me know!

And count, likewise I have no problem w/ you just sticking up for a program that has acquitted itself quite well in their short history!

check your references my friend:

http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia ... /index.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Flor ... s_football
http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/anal ... orida.html

all three say they joined D1-A in 2001...

i will admit that they have done well in their short history, but they do not compare to PSU, sorry they just don't.

They dont compare to the 3 teams that have finished ahead of them (in a conference of 8) in those years, either.