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Re: District V Semifinals... Rockwood-TM and NB-Shade

Posted: February 20th, 2009, 2:36 pm
by Lemmy
Lemmy thoughts upon seeing who the officials were, is this the best crew the district can put on the floor. To the best of my knowledge, no AA playoff games, boys or girls and no A girls games. Only one other game...

After the game, I wondered what NB Panthers record in the playoffs with the " walk right here "gentleman is over the years. Bet it leans much to the loss side.

I did not think Berkey walked on the shot. Great game by two good teams.

Re: District V Semifinals... Rockwood-TM and NB-Shade

Posted: February 20th, 2009, 3:16 pm
by Coach
upon further review....

crossover from right to left at 3 point line
ball ends up back in right hand though... i'm assuming he crossed back over then, lost balance, took two steps (no walk), and put it in...


For the ball to have been in his right hand he had to cross back over when the official was blocking the cameraman.

Re: District V Semifinals... Rockwood-TM and NB-Shade

Posted: February 20th, 2009, 4:05 pm
by Former Wildcat
I hate to do it, but I have to cry foul at the officiating in that NB-Shade game. My analysis is that Shade seemed like the more talented team, but they did not play a great game. NB, after the first 12 minutes of the game controlled things and did so until the officials really started to take the game out of their hands. Now, the officiating was poor throughout and NB benefited from some bad calls early on, but three terrible calls really turned the tide and all were against NB's best player, Zach Reed. He picked up a reach foul from the official on the baseline, who had no angle at the play. From my angle, I could see that it was a clean steal. He then picked up a fourth foul on that horrendous 5 point play. I watch a lot of college and pro basketball and that is almost never called. Could you imagine a situation where Tyler Hansborough would pick up his fourth foul that way in the final three minutes of a game? A totally ridiculous call that got Shade back into the game. Reed then picked up his phantom fifth foul early in overtime. He should have been at the line shooting for an over the back. Had he been in the paint on the last drive, would Shade's player have able to score a lay-up?

I heard many of Shade's fans commenting that their team did not play well and won. I would agree with that. As I said, they seemed like the better team, but they did not play well enough to win that game. NB's boys played one of their best games of the season and really had the game taken out of their hands late.

Re: District V Semifinals... Rockwood-TM and NB-Shade

Posted: February 20th, 2009, 4:20 pm
by muckitup
I have to totally agree that the officiating in the NB Shade game last night was terrible,BUT from where I was seated I would have to say it went both ways. The Reed boy's last foul was definately a tug on No. 5's arm and to come off the court and holler BS should warrant a T. NB should be very fortunate that the ref who was 3 ft away from Reed left that slide. All things said and done, I think BOTH teams should be commended on one helluva game. GOOD to see D5 basketball back where it belongs.

Re: District V Semifinals... Rockwood-TM and NB-Shade

Posted: February 20th, 2009, 6:42 pm
by usatf oldguy
Sounds like it was a great game I'm sorry I decided not to go.Congrats to Shade I kinda figured it may be a barn burner but wow!Now comes the match up that could get very interesting Tussey against Shade. You know Bailey will have his troops primed and I would say officiating will have alot to do with this game.If they let the game go and get physical I would definitely take the titans.If they call it tight I like shade.In the consi game I'll take nbc hands down.Sounds like a pair of great games!

Re: District V Semifinals... Rockwood-TM and NB-Shade

Posted: February 20th, 2009, 7:32 pm
by Coach
I'm not thinking I like how TM matches up with Shade.


My early pick is Shade by 8+. Coach Bailey may come up with something....but I just don't feel like TM matches up with them very well. We'll see next week. I'll be hoping that the ICC gets it done, but I don't think it will happen.



I forgot about the phantom call on the steal Wildcat. How about this fiasco call as well.... Full court inbounds pass...again to Reed- catches it 8 feet on the other side of half court, never stops his running motion, dribbles right away, and ..... WALK. NO WAY! If that is a walk so is every fast break that I've ever seen.

Re: District V Semifinals... Rockwood-TM and NB-Shade

Posted: February 21st, 2009, 12:10 pm
by Former Wildcat
We could go on and on about bad calls going both ways. The big guy for Shade (#3?) picked up some cheap ones and was in foul trouble. However, the game did not really turn on those fouls. That kind of thing happens at every level. I have two problems with the game. One is with the 5 point play - that would never happen in any basketball game with decent officiating. Maybe that gets called on a really obvious, hard foul, but not on a battle for position on a made basket with 2:30 left in a playoff game. The other is with Reed fouling out on ticky-tack fouls. Muckitup, I don't know where you were sitting, but I was right in front of Reed's fifth foul. It was really ticky-tack at best. It was more over-the-back on the Shade kid than anything else. The reality is that good basketball officials do not make that call in overtime. Certainly not as a fifth foul on a team's best player. If that call had been made in a college or pro playoff game, analysts would have been all over it. The reality is that it never would be. As for Reed swearing at the officials, I agree that it could have been a technical, but I think the fact that they didn't call one might show that they realized their mistake.

I also wanted to mention the potential charge on the next-to-last possession. Unless Duke is playing, standing two feet from the basket and flopping is not a charge. That might have been a no-call, but it certainly was not a charge. I don't think Shane Battier was wearing a Shade uniform and only Coach K gets those ridiculous calls.

Re: District V Semifinals... Rockwood-TM and NB-Shade

Posted: February 21st, 2009, 12:46 pm
by DrJerkyllMrHide
Former Wildcat wrote: The reality is that good basketball officials do not make that call in overtime.
Now, in all fairness, I have pulled this one sentence out of your response Former Wildcat, but my response would be that a good basketball official will make the SAME CALL in regulation AND in overtime. There should be no greater weight on a foul in OT. A fouls a foul. The one guy was so gun-ho to call EVERY movement a foul, the officiating set the tone of the game a few minutes into regulation...not the players, not the coaches, but the refs.

So that said, even though there were many questionable fouls called, if the refs can be commended for anything, they were consistent (I'll leave it to you to say, yeah consistently *$!&%*)..both in regulation and in OT.

Re: District V Semifinals... Rockwood-TM and NB-Shade

Posted: February 22nd, 2009, 8:10 am
by muckitup
SO wildcat, how many years of officiating do you have under your belt????? THATS WHAT I THOUGHT