Officiating

[nsmoore2]

If there is a shortage, go take your test. Get a sense what it is like to get on the floor and call a game. As an official and a coach, I can tell your this, when I blow my whistle no matter half of the gym hates me and disagrees. Fans for the most part are not knowledgable as are some coaches. As for the fan that comments on the charge call vs New Castle. I watched a the video and it seemed to me that it was a charge, let alone making that call at full speed. The average fan follows the basketball around. Officials do not have that option. I think before we criticize, walk in the shoes then come back and tell us about your experience. Are there bad officials, yes. But even if these guys are bad, they do not miss shots, throw balls away or commit fouls. As for the game being to fast, a foul is still a foul. And steps is still steps. Just because you disagree and a few guys in the stands does not mean that the official was wrong.

[roaminthehalls]

For the record, I don't feel student athletes should be named in critical posts. Coaches and Officials, well I'm still not sure but wanted to get other opinions. They do get compensated so that's one way to look at it.

[Oldskoolhoops]

Thank you. A few topics back when I criticized the refs sportsfan1000 belittled me but now I don't feel.so bad since I see many of you agree with me, sportsfan must just have a man crush on Willis. These refs do get paid and they should have to here about it when they do a sub par job. If I do a sub par work at my job I have to hear about it so the refs should too. Also like I said before I can understand that a ref can make a bad call, but what irks me is when Willis makes a blatantly horrid call and then makes smirks like he enjoys ripping off an innocent hs athlete. The man needs to go he compromises the integrity of the game and I hope Munster leaves with him too and the door hits them both on the way out.

[sppawfan]

I agree. All willis does is look and point up in the stands while the game is being played! Then he cries to cobaugh to remove fans and cobaugh told him he is a coach don't tell him. Willis and munster are for j-town teams 100% and yes I am saying they make a difference in a game. I saw it for years and not only hoops with willis. I agree with oldskool 100% on that crew needing to retire.

[say_oww]

If there is a shortage, go take your test. Get a sense what it is like to get on the floor and call a game. As an official and a coach, I can tell your this, when I blow my whistle no matter half of the gym hates me and disagrees. Fans for the most part are not knowledgable as are some coaches. As for the fan that comments on the charge call vs New Castle. I watched a the video and it seemed to me that it was a charge, let alone making that call at full speed. The average fan follows the basketball around. Officials do not have that option. I think before we criticize, walk in the shoes then come back and tell us about your experience. Are there bad officials, yes. But even if these guys are bad, they do not miss shots, throw balls away or commit fouls. As for the game being to fast, a foul is still a foul. And steps is still steps. Just because you disagree and a few guys in the stands does not mean that the official was wrong.

Not sure if this was directed at my post, but I'll respond as if it was intended that way. I should have asked this back in the baseball thread, but what makes a ref or ump or significant other(see below) think that issuing a challenge to a critic to "try it yourself" changes anything? If D5-6 got 10 new awesome NBA in waiting officials next year, the guys in question would still suck, right? So again, how does challenging someone else to do something that you obviously aren't so good at change anything? No one asked you to become an official, right?

My interpretation is any official who uses this defense is basically admitting that he does suck. He is also admitting that officiating is such a tough gig that no one else could do any better. Apparently, he considers himself to be above your criticism. But you are all welcome to try as he knows you will suck even more than him. However, he is confident we will not take the bait, so in his eyes he has just proven that he is better than us and that he needs to do nothing to improve his own performance. Extending this to other vocations, if your doctor screws up, you should go to med school instead of complaining that the surgeon punctured grandma's intestine. If your contractor botches a renovation, you should try plastering before you gripe about how uneven the walls look. Obviously, this is a well-planned method of defense.

In my experience, this is the pervasive attitude of the officials I have witnessed at the amateur and professional ranks. Same goes for the realtively small but vocal ump and refophiles on this forum and elsewhere. By the way, if you aren't an official, but you insist on defending them, please let me know by which pejorative term you'd like to be referred to as a I can't seem to come up with anything better than refophile (umpophile). Refnut and ump-groupie just don't have the same impact.

Fans are always gonna **** about calls. It doesn't mean those making the calls shouldn't be qualified, and evaluated on a routine basis.

[ShadePanther98]

U agree 100%! Some of the D-5 refs are horrible! Like old school said the one guy makes a bad call then smirks at that teams fans! Let the kids determine the outcome of the game! They bust their butts all year long! An earlier comment about the refs slowing the pace down is true. I seen this cause they can't keep up with the kids! Bring another guy so it's fair! Why punish a team that likes to grab the rebound n go!

[Oldskoolhoops]

Very well put

[ShadePanther98]

I agree all fans will not like every call! I respect these refs cause it is a hard job deign with the fans but some calls are pretty bad n leaves u to wonder! Example I was at the Shade n Berlin game last week! Both teams top players drove n there wasn't a defender close enough to foul n well the whistle blew! It happend to Shade first n it got Walker in foul trouble then Berlin top player got in foul trouble! Sorry I can't remember his name! We looked at each other n said wow! Again I respect the refs but let the kids determine the outcome! Don't take it out on the kids if a fan angers u! Throw the fan out if its that bad!

[roaminthehalls]

Panther??? D-5 refs are horrible? I believe this whole topic originated over a D-6 crew. D-5 has not cornered the market on bad refs. There are 1 or 2 D-5 crews that seem to be the preferred crews for some very big D-6 games. There are good and bad crews in every district. Hopefully the district committees have done enough research to keep the bad ones out of the playoff picture where the stakes are higher.

I'd love to post more, but I'm reading a book on how to rebuild a motor. My mechanic screwed up my car. (Say-oww, that was a great analogy)

All refs are going to miss some. Give me the guys who are in position (can run the floor) and don't think that the fans came to see them ref.

[ShadePanther98]

I was just using D-5 refs as an example that its not only D-6 that has this problem. I understand refs will miss calls! It's the ones that they call to determine the ottcome or speed if the game!