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Re: How can you vote for Kerry???
Posted: November 2nd, 2004, 9:45 pm
by persimmon
[quote="fleaflicker";p="69517"]Permisson, if you don't vote, you have no right to complain about any policies of the United States government. No voting means you have no voice.[/quote]
If someone doesn't vote, then they have no right to complain about any policies of the US Government? Does this mean that children under the age of 18 have no right to petition for redress of grievances? Does this mean that resident aliens have no right to lobby for political positions or to buy TV ads to influence political campaigns? What about someone who is mentally ill and cannot comprehend the process of voting?
There is no relationship between voting and being allowed to participate in political discourse or the political process. I have no idea why you think that the two are related in any way. Nothing in the Constitution mandates voting as a prerequisite to participation in the political process. It's simply a connection that you have fabricated from the whole cloth that you received from the politically correct "voting is good" mantra that you have heard and bought into.
In fact, the largest single party in any election seems to be the "I don't want to vote" party. About 55% of voters usually turn out for a presidential election, and they generally split between the Vanilla and French Vanilla parties, so they represent about 25 - 30% of the registered voters in the majority. 45% of registered voters don't vote, which is much, much more than comprise either party's typical turnout.
Re: How can you vote for Kerry???
Posted: November 2nd, 2004, 9:54 pm
by LionPride
[quote="persimmon";p="69571"]2. I obey the law. The neo-fascist pigs who pose as police officers have no cause to arrest me for anything more than a traffic offense. [/quote]
I think this statement alone tells us all we need to know about this guy.... Go back to LHSports please.
Re: How can you vote for Kerry???
Posted: November 2nd, 2004, 9:55 pm
by Coach
Sorry guys...I was not home at all and didn't even see her post. I can't have that from mods and won't have it. She was a mod for purposes of keeping the cheerleading forum clean. I didn't have anyone else stepping up to do that (guy wise). So as you can see I was trying to do some good and it didn't work.
Re: How can you vote for Kerry???
Posted: November 2nd, 2004, 9:58 pm
by EnricoPallazzo
did anyone mention that bush is AGAINST a federal law AFTER he said he was FOR it.
how do you spell flip flop.....o yeah, georgie is the king of flipping.
Posted: November 2nd, 2004, 10:09 pm
by WakeXtreme
[quote="EnricoPallazzo";p="69597"]
did anyone mention that bush is AGAINST a federal law AFTER he said he was FOR it.
how do you spell flip flop.....o yeah, georgie is the king of flipping.
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http://www.bleachercoaches.com/-vp67483.html#67483
Now whos the king of flipping.....
Re: How can you vote for Kerry???
Posted: November 2nd, 2004, 10:13 pm
by Coach
What I posted was from cnn.com's website earlier today from a comparison model. Accurate 100%? Maybe not...BUT Kerry is just not my kind of man. I too know several gay guys and lesbian women...several friends from college and such. I don't hate them because of it, but I don't feel that it is right either. The only thing I don't agree with is having them marry or raise children. That is my belief.
I don't think Bush fought daddy's war either...I think Saddam needed ousted long ago. He was the Hitler of the Middle East. I don't agree with their way of living...who are we to change their lives though? As a humanitarian though, women should be able to choose their husbands, uncover their faces, have rights, etc. They were treated like dogs, men were treated like dogs...Don't win in the olympics...get killed.
I know I didn't make the ultimate sacrifice, and I'm not ready to. I didn't sign up for that duty. I went another route as an American since I have choices!
Changing opinions is tough as heck to do so I don't want to try to. It is my opinion though that we can NOT keep living in this world where people do as they please.
I'll end with the fact that most guys I know in the armed forces are all for Bush. Many of the men over there are for Bush. The good we are doing hasn't been shown by the media. The bad is what we hear about. I don't like Michael Moore, but he sort of goes off on this in Bowling for Columbine. We don't show the good stuff in America. We show the stuff that makes people live a life full of fear. Watch that movie and you'll see how in Canada people don't have loaded guns under their beds. Doors stay unlocked during the day and at night. Murders are FEWWWWWWWW and far between...Why? The news and media doesn't do things in a way that force you to feel fear in your life. The leading news story up there might be a new speedbump downtown or something... Watch the news here and see how often they start off with something wonderful or happy....We live in fear enough here...I don't need terrorists adding to it. I'm glad we didn't just get punched in the face and stand there taking it like a chump.
Anyway...I don't get into this with people that much, because changing opinions is tough. We all have them and we are all entitled to them...remember though....if you had your opinion in the former Iraq and it wasn't the right one.....you would be deader than a doornail. You couldn't be on here with all these rights you have, making posts as you please. Saddam was an EVIL, EVIL man. I'm glad we went over there and took him out of power. I don't care about WOMD not being there. Osama will get his too...his time will come soon enough.
Re: How can you vote for Kerry???
Posted: November 2nd, 2004, 10:27 pm
by once a runner
I will agree with you about the fear part Coach. Of course the republicans have been adding to it all campaign....a vote for Kerry is a vote for terrorists! It's not all the media.
Here's a quote of George HW Bush from his 99 memoirs:
"Trying to eliminate Sadaam would have incurred incalculable human and political costs. We'd have been forced to occupy Baghdad and, in effect, rule Iraq. There was no viable exit strategy, violating another of our principles. Going in and occupying Iraq, thus unilaterally exceeding the UN mandate, would have destroyed the precedent of international response to aggression. Had we gone the invasion route, the U.S. could conceivably still be an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land."
Sometimes Daddy does know best.
Re: How can you vote for Kerry???
Posted: November 2nd, 2004, 10:36 pm
by LionPride
I think the part you missing in that quote is the fact that at that time there was a fear that one of Saddam's sons (Uday or Qusay) would've taken power if Saddam was ousted. As we have all learned, as bad as Saddam was, those 2 were much worse. One thing is for sure, we never have to worry about either of them (and neither do those Iraqi Olympians).
Unfortunately, it's looking like PA will go to Kerry. Florida is looking good for Bush, and Ohio is really close. Michigan, Minnesota, and Wisconsin really need to fall to the President to be assured of this thing.
Another couple of notes of importance. Colorado defeated the measure to split the electoral vote. That very well could end up being the difference. Also, at least 3 states have all voted to define marriage as between a man and woman - Hollywood, are you listening?
Re: How can you vote for Kerry???
Posted: November 2nd, 2004, 10:39 pm
by Coach
Again...as a humanitarian...
I'm happy kids can go to schools over there and women will have rights. They are human beings...They aren't just nothings!
Re: How can you vote for Kerry???
Posted: November 2nd, 2004, 10:43 pm
by LionPride
[quote="Coach";p="69610"]Again...as a humanitarian...
I'm happy kids can go to schools over there and women will have rights. They are human beings...They aren't just nothings![/quote]
Coach - none of the anti-war libs want to admit that Iraq is much better off now than they were under Saddam. The security will get better. It took years to secure Germany after WWII and when Iraq is a stable democracy, it will be a model for other Middle East countries. This doesn't happen overnight.