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Re: The latest State Rankings are out as of 11 / 17 / 04

Posted: November 19th, 2004, 10:55 am
by dragonfanz
If you haven't noticed we have had some mature discussions about the format of area high school football. Since we have notice that you lack maturity it would be best suited for you not to respond to any posts unless you have something educated to say. No one is cutting on the program run by Coach Foor but rather the system that allow an average NBC to compete in a D5 championship. This has nothing to do with Central football so save your comments about that program for the post that was titled "I'm jealous of Central Football because they hired someone than me" started by hollywood.

Re: The latest State Rankings are out as of 11 / 17 / 04

Posted: November 19th, 2004, 10:59 am
by hoopsfan
I went to the Bedford CC game week 1o to support and root for the Bisons. I was really sorry to see them get beat as I think they had one heck of a team. This Dist 5 thing and there playoff and the talk by dragonfanz about Dist 6. the top teams the last few years in DIst 6 have been Blairsville, Bellwood, BC, Mo Valley couple others. Some consisent teams that have made the DIst 5/6 playoffs. Now those schools are all BIGGER A schools enrollment wise. NBC graduates around 80 students or so. Point is DAAAAA of the 80 or 85 maybe half are guys so u have around 40 or so compared to a school that has 60 or 70 boys per grade just makes sense u have more boys to choice from or have a better talent pool. Claysburg went 7-2 yes but got SPANKED by Jun VALLEy 52-6 and hmmm NBC held them to lowest point total in the reg season of 21 points after they averaged 40 plus a game. I will admit Dist 6 is better for the most part than Dist 5 in football. I am not that naive but I have seen no one in this thread BRAG up NB or Berlin but just throwing out some support for there teams. ANd HAM u have heckled Ridge all season about being cocky and u in turn made Bedford out to be cocky with your posts. And the NUMBEr one SEED gets beat on there home field in first round?? I am laughing here also Bedord playing Tussey, NBC, Everett and Ridge evey year!! Well yes they would dominate them being Bedford is a AA school. Oh u young people crack me up

Re: The latest State Rankings are out as of 11 / 17 / 04

Posted: November 19th, 2004, 11:05 am
by HOLLYWOOD
yes I am so jealous of not coaching at Central, what a great place and losing every game sounds like fun. Things would be different if i was at the helm, believe that!! Central loss not mine!! I have bigger and better things out there!! Go Panthers

Re: The latest State Rankings are out as of 11 / 17 / 04

Posted: November 19th, 2004, 11:06 am
by footballfan1
OK Dragonfanz maybe I read it wrong. It seemed to me you were cutting up a local team but if you are cutting up the system then you are right. Claysburg was 7-2 and should of, deserved to make the playoffs. I agree with that. But to come on here and down the Dist 5 championship game when no one mentioned anything about being better than dist 6 was or could of been started in another thread. you are right I should not of brought up Central football but i was little mifffed.

Re: The latest State Rankings are out as of 11 / 17 / 04

Posted: November 19th, 2004, 11:36 am
by Head Roadie
DragonFanz:

First, when comparing D5 and 6 remember that D5 has 10 schools and D6 has 30'ish in "A" That means for every 3 good teams 6 has, that on the average 5 should have one. I think that is generally true. Lump Berlin with the Bellwoods, BC's, Blairsville's, and JValley's--They've earned it. Lump NB and Windber with the L.Valley's, Portage's, Mo Valley's, Claysburg's etc. that fall into that next D6 group of 5-7 and I think that's pretty fair. And Remember, Windber did beat Portage. My point is that "by the numbers" D5 and D6 are pretty comparable.

Second, from my perspective, when people talk about quality D5 programs over the long haul, they talk four schools. Bed, Windber, NBC, and Con. Twp.

Third, 7-3 from NB is hardly "average"

Fourth, NB cannot help where they are located geographically. Nor could Altoona (from football hotbed D6) when they beat out 10 other schools (sounds pretty similar to Dist. Five doesn't it?) to qualify for the Western FINALS in Quad-A a few years back! Yes....there were only 10 Quad-A's in D6,9,8,10 at that time! Wouldn't it be kinda nice to be the best of the 10 team WestPac or Heritage Conferences and automatically get in the Western Finals!!

Your sectional plan is a good idea. District 5 approved a sectional plan for D5 and D6 about 10 years ago. District 6 REJECTED it....so again, don't blame D5 for being where they are...they were perfectly willing to buy into a scenario like the WPIAL.

Don't criticize the D5 football playoffs. As I said in another thread, at least D5 treats all team playoffs the same. What's up with D6 open tourney's in Basketball, etc. that allows teams with no wins enter if they want? Where's the consistency?

How can Claysburg be happy with a 7-2 football team not getting in and a 6-18 basketball team getting in?

Again, as I stated in another thread...my personal opinion is that a Conference championship should supersede the point system and that JV, Bell, C-K, and Blairs. should be automatic qualifiers BEFORE the other 4 teams who did not win their leagues get in as wild cards, but D6 chooses to stick to the state formula (they don't have to do it either....most other districts don't)

Finally For Bedftham55. You want to compare Ferndale and North Star? Compare this:

Score from this year just in: North Star 27 Ferndale 6 !!!!!!!

Re: The latest State Rankings are out as of 11 / 17 / 04

Posted: November 19th, 2004, 11:40 am
by footballfan1
Thank you HR as usual your posts are very good indeed. I wont argue with dragonfanz or Ham anymore. GOod luck NBC

Posted: November 19th, 2004, 1:07 pm
by ham55
I again wasn't cutting on NBC either, I want county teams to succeed and do well all the time, I hope NBC beats the Brothers from Berlin and do it rather handily to shut the people up from over the ridge. What was the worst record of the D-5A in the playoff's, how about D-6?

Hoopsfan, Cocky? At least they have earned the right to be cocky. It is better to be cocky than arogant...

For the last time, I hope NBC wins, I hope they do it convincingly. Lets go panthers, earn some respect!!!

Re: The latest State Rankings are out as of 11 / 17 / 04

Posted: November 19th, 2004, 1:13 pm
by Boilerman
I think we need a check from Mr. Webster here, is there a difference between cocky and arrogant? Just asking.

Boiler Up!
Boiler OUT!

Re: The latest State Rankings are out as of 11 / 17 / 04

Posted: November 19th, 2004, 1:58 pm
by dragonfanz
As we sit here today the number of class A schools in district 5 sits at 10 and the number of teams in district 6 stands at 24. And in no way can you punish schools for their location. It is not NBC's fault they are located in a rural without many schools to compete against in football. However, with ten teams within the district that would be a great number to hold the WPIAL system of scheduling/postseason method that we see in District 7. Another question to whom it may concern: we all know that D5/6 shared the class A playoffs for at least the last 5 years. Within those five years, the only team to compete at a high level from district 5 was Windber. Windber easily could and does compete with many of the top teams of district 6 year in and year out. But excluding Windber, how many other D5 teams made the D5/6 playoffs each year? We all know that D5 had to recieve at least 2 teams into the playoffs but how times did 3 or 4 teams make it from district 5? All 30+ teams from a combined D5/6 had the same opportunity to make the playoffs yet we all know that most of the time Windber earned a high seed and then another D5 team recieve the token spot. There were several occasions were a 6-3 or 7-2 district 5 team would enter the playoffs before a 7-2 or 8-1 district 6 team. I even believe NBC was the benefactor of this rule the year the lost to BG in the first round of the playoffs. So you can say all you want about numbers and how D6 has 14 more teams than D5 but for nearly 5 years every single A team in D5/6 was on the same playing field and more times than not D6 had 6 teams in the playoffs.

Re: The latest State Rankings are out as of 11 / 17 / 04

Posted: November 19th, 2004, 2:48 pm
by voncap
I find it ironic that the same person who is being critical of the District V system is advocating a system(WPIAL) that allowed a 4-5 team to make the playoffs. By the way, that 4-5 team will be playing for a district VII championship this weekend.

I believe based on a few previous analogies in this thread we can classify the whole WPIAL as weak because a team with a losing record made the playoffs.