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I've said it before and I'll say it again,I don't see ridge or central going LHAC.They make you go in all sports and it won't work.Too much travel and alot more costs for the schools.Now if they change the allsports thing maybe then.

usatf - you can say it as many times as you like, it won't change the fact that both will be members of the LHAC in 2012 in all sports. Money and travel are not issues, as both schools are former LHAC members. Also, Chestnut Ridge has had enough with the "independent" status. At this point, they would have joined a league in Maryland if it would have given them a full schedule of contests.

VAD1 wrote:Ligonier Valley will NEVER be accepted into the LHAC - they blew their chance by asking "what can the LHAC do for us". I expect to see LV remain in the Heritage until they're booted out (not saying that will happen). The next two teams to enter the LHAC will be Chestnut Ridge and Central. Also, Leechburg has already made it clear they want in the Heritage, but the WPIAL said NO. Why would the WPIAL let them go? It would create 8 openings in the schedules of the teams who already have them on their 2011 schedule. The Heritage had a chance to make their football schedules better by getting into an agreement with the Westpac. No, the Westpac is not great, but there are some good teams in there (Portage, Conemaugh Township, Windber, another team that's on a good run of kids). The Heritage told the Westpac thanks but no thanks because they thought Leechburg was coming in. Now they all have an open date next year and maybe for years to come. Other than Saltsburg (picked up Shade) and United (picked up Ferndale), the rest of the conference will struggle to find a beatable opponent.

Central? Really? Doubt it. The MAC just became all-sports, it's got bigger schools and less travel time rather than driving all over the place to get to LHAC games. Don't count on it. Chestnut Ridge burned a lot of bridges in the past with the ICC and the MAC-- they can't afford to do any more damage if they get into a conference and then decide it's not a good fit.

Heritage conference --- well, I'm not surprised. I thought that they should have combined with the WestPAC and formed two divisions akin to the Mid-Penn out in D3. Didn't happen, and I guess it's not going to. Oh well. It will hurt come playoff time.

Happy Thanksgiving to all!

...Hopefully all had a great Holiday! Sorry for not getting on here the past week or so, been away from work and the laptop is down...

"You lost me with this. You keep switching between 'Class B' and 5A. Do you mean 1A (130 and below), 2A, 3A, 4A, and 5A? I also don't understand what you mean by a 1-7 team moving on. That just doesn't seem plausible (Although, last year Old Forge (10-0) lost to a 3-7 Riverside team.), and what would be the purpose of multiple classification leagues other than strength of schedule rankings?"

Sorry Ghost you are correct I mean 1A being 130 and below, I just call it "Class B" because it would be "irritating" to say or spell out 5A or 6A (AAAAA or AAAAAA), lol too many A's...I would like 5 classes. I know there can be a big difference in 4A between school sizes but once you get up too 600 boys I think you can find a good group of 22 vs. another school with 600 more...

In the WPIAL and D 5/6 (not considering those who play up) it would look like this to me (Again I will use Class B for lowest class instead of adding another "A".

Class B (1-130) (Currently 1-184)
WPIAL:
Geibel Catholic High School A 67
Mapletown High School A 69
Avella Area High School A 80
North Catholic High School A 98
Western Beaver High School A 98
Cornell High School A 99
Jefferson Morgan High School A 104
Monessen High School A 106
Union Area High School A 112
West Greene High School A 112
Our Lady of the Sacred Heart High School A 115
Leechburg Area High School A 116
Clairton High School A 124
Carmichaels Area High School A 125
Rochester Area High School A 125
Serra Catholic High School A 128

D/5
Shade High School A 92
Meyersdale Area High School A 105
Rockwood Area High School A 110
Berlin Brothersvalley High School A 115
(Keep current conferences but have seperate conference championships and break away in state playoff))

D/6 (May have to reconfigure/Recreate conferences)
Williamsburg High School A 72
Bishop Carroll High School A 82
Blacklick Valley High School A 85
Moshannon Valley High School A 97
Saltsburg High School A 100
Conemaugh Valley High School A 104
Glendale High School A 106
Bishop Guilfoyle High School A 107
Portage Area High School A 107
Claysburg Kimmel High School A 111
Juniata Valley High School A 111
Penns Manor Area High School A 111
Homer Center High School A 119
Ferndale Area High School A 120



Class A (130-210) (Currently 185 - 310)
WPIAL:
Bentworth High School A 136
California Area High School A 140
Springdale High School A 141
Aliquippa Junior Senior High School AA 148
Chartiers Houston High School A 148
Bethlehem Center High School A 149
Avonworth High School A 150
Neshannock Junior/Senior High School A 150
Wilkinsburg High School A 155
Frazier High School A 157
Jeannette High School AA 158
Sto-Rox High School A 160
Brentwood High School A 162
Fort Cherry High School A 162
Riverview High School A 165
South Side High School A 171
Bishop Canevin High School A 175
Carlynton High School A 176
Northgate Middle/High School A 176
Shenango High School A 177
Burgettstown Area High School AA 188
Laurel High School AA 189
Greensburg Central Catholic High School AA 190
Seton LaSalle Catholic High School AA 199
Apollo Ridge High School AA 202
Mohawk Area High School AA 207

D/5
Conemaugh Township Area High School A 140
Tussey Mountain High School A 145
Northern Bedford County High School A 149
North Star High School A 163
Everett Area High School A 183
Windber Area High School A 184
(Keep current conferences but have seperate conference championships and break away in state playoff))

D/6 (May have to reconfigure/Recreate conferences)
Northern Cambria High School A 135
Southern Huntingdon County High School A 142
Bishop McCort High School A 147
Purchase Line High School A 148
Blairsville High School A 149
West Branch High School A 155
Bellwood Antis High School A 163
Marion Center Area High School A 177
United High School A 179
Richland High School AA 186
Mount Union Area High School AA 197
Penns Valley Area High School AA 197
Cambria Heights High School AA 208




Class AA (210-310) (Currently 185 - 310)
WPIAL:
Shady Side Academy AA 213
West Shamokin High School AA 218
Riverside High School AA 219
Brownsville Area High School AA 222
Freedom Area High School AA 225
South Allegheny High School AA 230
Charleroi High School AA 233
Steel Valley High School AA 241
Ellwood City High School AA 245
Ford City Sr High School AA 245
Quaker Valley High School AA 246
Beaver Falls High School AA 247
The Summit Academy AA 248
Freeport Area Senior High School AA 250
New Brighton Area High School AA 252
Burrell High School AA 254
Southmoreland High School AA 261
Washington High School AA 263
South Fayette High School AA 266
Deer Lakes High School AA 267
Waynesburg Central High School AA 267
Beaver Area High School AA 279
East Allegheny High School AA 282
Mount Pleasant Area High School AA 285
Keystone Oaks High School AA 296
Yough High School AA 309

D/5
Chestnut Ridge High School AA 204
Bedford High School AA 252
Somerset Area High School AA 285
(Keep current conferences but have seperate conference championships and break away in state playoff))

D/6 (May have to reconfigure/Recreate conferences and have seperate conference championships and break away in state playoff)

Penn Cambria High School AA 224
Ligonier Valley High School AA 231
Tyrone Area High School AA 234
Westmont Hilltop High School AA 238
Central Cambria High School AA 242
Central High School AA 242
Bald Eagle Area High School AA 255
Philipsburg Osceola Area High School AA 259
Juniata High School AA 277
Huntingdon Area High School AA 283
Forest Hills High School AA 300
Lewistown Area High School AA 308




Class AAA (310-600) (Currently 310 - 512)
WPIAL:
McGuffey High School AAA 317
Valley High School AAA 318
Blackhawk High School AAA 321
Derry Area High School AAA 321
South Park High School AAA 321
Highlands High School AAA 325
Kittanning High School AAA 325
Indiana Area High School AAA 336
Central Valley High School AAA 339
Belle Vernon Area High School AAA 346
Elizabeth Forward High School AAA 353
Hopewell High School AAA 356
Thomas Jefferson High School AAA 358
New Castle Junior/Senior High School AAA 360
Ambridge Area High School AAA 366
Uniontown Area High School AAA 375
Mars Area High School AAA 378
Knoch High School AAA 380
Greensburg Salem High School AAA 387
West Allegheny High School AAA 389
Hampton High School AAA 399
Montour High School AAA 403
West Mifflin Area High School AAA 406
Ringgold High School AAA 418
Trinity High School AAA 429
Chartiers Valley High School AAA 447
Moon Area High School AAA 465
Hollidaysburg Area High School AAA 471
Laurel Highlands High School AAA 481
Albert Gallatin High School AAA 482
Franklin Regional High School AAA 498
Peters Township High School AAAA 541
Greater Latrobe Senior High School AAAA 560
Upper Saint Clair High School AAAA 560
Kiski Area High School AAAA 565
Woodland Hills High School AAAA 565
Plum High School AAAA 568
Canon McMillan High School AAAA 577
McKeesport Area High School AAAA 578
Pine-Richland High School AAAA 595

D/6 (May have to reconfigure/Recreate conferences and have seperate conference championships and break away in state playoff)
Bellefonte Area High School AAA 372
Greater Johnstown High School AAA 376
Indian Valley High School AAA 394
Hollidaysburg Area High School AAA 471
Central Mountain High School AAAA 532



Class AAAA (600 +)
WPIAL:
Gateway High School AAAA 606
Fox Chapel Area High School AAAA 610
Penn Trafford High School AAAA 610
North Hills High School AAAA 619
Baldwin High School AAAA 641
Connellsville Area High School AAAA 643
Mount Lebanon High School AAAA 658
Bethel Park High School AAAA 665
Norwin High School AAAA 666
Central Catholic High School AAAA 670
Shaler Area High School AAAA 677
Penn Hills High School AAAA 686
Hempfield Area High School AAAA 792
Seneca Valley High School AAAA 899
Altoona Area High School AAAA 956
North Allegheny High School AAAA 984
Butler High School AAAA 1107

D/6 (May have to reconfigure/Recreate conferences and have seperate conference championships and break away in state playoff)
State College Area High School AAAA 957



Class B: State playoff Contenders beyond their conference/district runs (Assuming some schools play up to A):

Berlin Brothersvalley , Blacklick Valley , Portage (?) , JV , Penns Manor, Homer Center, North Catholic (D-7) , Jefferson Morgan

A lot of good work on numbers, but do they reflect the co-ops like Meyersdale/Sailsbury; Shade/Shanksville; Rookwood/Turkeyfoot? I also would like 5 or 6 classes but I doubt we will every see that happen.

VAD1 wrote:usatf - you can say it as many times as you like, it won't change the fact that both will be members of the LHAC in 2012 in all sports. Money and travel are not issues, as both schools are former LHAC members. Also, Chestnut Ridge has had enough with the "independent" status. At this point, they would have joined a league in Maryland if it would have given them a full schedule of contests.

Both schools may have been members in football before but they both weren't in allsports VAD. I really don't see ridge jumping in just for a league/conference in football.The other sports are having no scheduling problems.Hey southpaw how about a little insight here,any truth to this?

cleaverstuart wrote:A lot of good work on numbers, but do they reflect the co-ops like Meyersdale/Sailsbury; Shade/Shanksville; Rookwood/Turkeyfoot? I also would like 5 or 6 classes but I doubt we will every see that happen.

I am not sure Sir if they reflect the co ops,I got the numbers off the PIAA website and I think they will look different for the upcoming year...I think in single we will see some more teams drop, at least in the WPIAL.

usatf oldguy

I'm not trying to insult you, but have you been paying attention to Ridge for the past 4 years?

Both schools may have been members in football before but they both weren't in allsports VAD. I really don't see ridge jumping in just for a league/conference in football.The other sports are having no scheduling problems.Hey southpaw how about a little insight here,any truth to this?

I completely agree with you that Ridge is not having any problems scheduling other sports, but football is the tail that wags the dog. Ridge needed a football schedule for next year BADLY and it's a good thing the Heritage chose not to get into an agreement with the Westpac. Had this happened, Ridge would be looking at 6 holes on their varsity football schedule for next season. The move for Ridge to get into a conference is 100% football-based. They would have been in the LHAC already if LV had made application to the league. Central and CR to the LHAC in 2012 - you heard it here first.

I'll admit, I haven't been really paying attention to this topic. Been trying to figure out if I want to drive down to Imperial, PA to watch the Brockway/South Fayette game. Hopefully Brockway will give them a game.

Good work on the numbers Ike, but looking at the schools in class B of the WPIAL, whew! Some of those would be asked to play up 1 or 2 classes for sure. Rochester, Clairton, Serra, Monessen, and North Catholic have all been excellent for the past few years.

VAD1, what would be the benefit of Central leaving the MAC and rejoining the LHAC? Both leagues have 12 schools already. Heck, look at the AA bracket this past year -- 3/4 semifinalists were from the MAC.