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Re: Bishop McCort Question
Posted: September 13th, 2013, 12:41 am
by Blaze
I NEVER SAID ANYONE WAS RACIST! My first comment was who are you going to complain about when these schools are gone and that is going to be sooner than later. I am however tired of every year you guys whining like a bunch of girls about the SAME THING Do something about it! How many public schools are there in PA as compared to Privates. I know all the public schools also have booster groups! So why don't you all go together to the PIAA and make them change it. Not one reporter, not one school, not one district. Do something about it. Bitching on here is not going to change it.
Also want to thank Crimson ghost for posting this:
I hate to break it to everyone, but outside the little bubble of District 5 and 6, Public schools recruit in the same light you accuse the private schools. HS athletics across the country is about parents trying to live through their kids athletics. Strategic moves, buying property in one SD, claiming residency, paying tuition, all these kind things happen for athletic reasons.
I will say he is right it is about the parents. The kids get along. My son will go to sporting events at our local public school to cheer his friends on and they also come to his games. Off the field these kids are friends and when they meet on the field the majority of them show each other the respect they deserve. They all work hard for it. I wish all the kids regardless of what school they are in a safe, fun and productive season.
Re: Bishop McCort Question
Posted: September 13th, 2013, 5:57 am
by ramfan
Blaze wrote:El Moldo WAS not crying anti Catholic! I WAS referring to private verses public. Oh wait there are only catholic private schools in this area how every if there was a private non catholic school in the area I am sure they would be treated the same. As for our Catholic grade school all the children in it were Catholic (I know I worked there) As for a non catholic transferring in and taking my sons position. Well as a matter of fact my son last year played both ways and all special teams cause our numbers were down. A sophomore transferred in from a public school who was non catholic and sitting the bench at the public school was not recruited came on his own cause he know he would get played. He did take some of my sons positions, which not only was my son happy about but also we were. He finally gets to rest some during the game and plays his position better. We don't care that he is non catholic or that he came from public school or that he took some positions off of my kid. We care that they play as a team and are friends on and off the field. As for the lift scholarship I know Mcort has it but that isn't our school and our school doesn't have a lift scholarship. You guys are a bunch of cry babys. But I bet a few years down the road when this happens to one of your family members and they put thier kids in a private your storys will all change then. I have seen it happen. Kills me when all you public school people b@##% about the privates but then college rolls around and these public school atheletes are more than happy to take scholarships to catholic and private colleges. It's not ok in high school but perfectly fine in college.
Blaze , There are other private non-catholic schools in our area. Johnstown Christian School and Cambria County Christian to name a few. An in 2009 when Johnstown Christian School won the Dist. 5 soocer title they had students from 3 counties on their team. I know they were not recruited but, when you can pull from that big of a area it is a unfair advantage.
Re: Bishop McCort Question
Posted: September 13th, 2013, 8:38 am
by Manfred
I'm so glad we have a few more participants that agree about the inequities re: private-public.
Re: Bishop McCort Question
Posted: September 13th, 2013, 9:54 am
by abpk2903
Another year, another public/private debate...
I really don't have an opinion on the issue but here are a few thoughts...
-Be careful, as a small school wishing for separate playoff systems for the privates and publics. This will open up the box for private schools to say, ok this is now the green light to recruit and recruit heavily. The private playoff system will be more competitive, have more college scouts, and lead to the better athletes in the area needing to get into the private schools in order to increase their chances of receiving college looks. The idea sounds good in principle but has a dark side to it, as well.
-The comments of the catholic kids being discriminated against is funny. Who isn't discriminated against in society anymore, so I guess they just are receiving a life lesson.
-If catholic's/privates have such an advantage then why do leagues such as the LHAC let them in for competition?
-The post complaining about tuition being higher than your mortgage is also comical. We have on one hand a school that is giving out 60 scholarships to kids that may or may not be catholic but the parochial students parents are paying upwards of $6000 a year to get them into private school. Then out of the other side of their mouth they are complaining about public schools discriminating. So wait a second, to me it sounds the parochial school districts are discriminating against their own catholic students but somehow the catholic parents are brainwashed into thinking the free education at public schools is discriminating....interesting
Re: Bishop McCort Question
Posted: September 13th, 2013, 10:25 am
by psycho
Thanks abpk for a great post. Your point about recruiting should give everyone something to think about.
One need only look to Cincinnati to see the possibilities. There they just formed the Greater Catholic League (GCL) for both boys and girls sports. Boys schools include Moeller, Elder, St. Xavier, LaSalle, Alter, Chaminade-Jullienne, Carroll, Fenwick, etc. Extremely competitive academically and superior competition athletically. The dozen or so all boys and co-ed Catholic schools in the Greater Cincinnati diocese normally produce around 20% of the division 1 football players that come out of Ohio annually.
What has occurred there is that public schools have become so bad both academically (for inability to enforce discipline, for indocrination of students with left wing ideology, for narrow cirriculums that teach to a test only) and athletically (because of pathetically declining enrollments). As a result people of all faiths are gravitating to these Catholic schools which are busting at the seams. Kids must apply way in advance and spots are limited. Several of these Catholic schools are building new physical plants. The system is thriving -- mostly because of what the public education system has become.
There is no formal recruiting in Cincinnati. The public schools being what they have become are the only recruiting tool needed.
Re: Bishop McCort Question
Posted: September 13th, 2013, 11:07 am
by abpk2903
We can't only think of greater Johnstown area when considering changes. If we went to separate playoff systems what would be the result in the already corrupt Philadelphia school systems? And when you open the box of separate playoff systems and pretty much encourage recruiting where does it stop. When a free private education isn't enough to get the star athlete to come play at a private school, maybe new pair of shoes and a watch may be enough. When his tells his buddy that is also being recruited where he got his watch, his buddy now wants a lift kit for his car, and when the top athlete in the entire area hears of this he now wants a car, and so on.
The system isn't broken what is broken is the fact we have high schools that have 65 in their top 3 grades trying to field a competitive football team. If these schools would all consolidate and become AAA and AAAA schools then we, in turn create separate classification for public and private schools. Because all the small A schools in the state would be private schools. If you look AAA and AAAA public schools don't have near the issue with competing with the privates in their classification.
Re: Bishop McCort Question
Posted: September 13th, 2013, 1:45 pm
by Manfred
I'm fine with the privates/ Catholics having to be in their OWN system. If they then "ramp up" their recruiting, then it will be what it will be, but at least then it will be OUT IN THE OPEN!! They will then be locked into their own system, as will the publics. There won't be any of this 'maybe they recruit, maybe they don't BS.
Re: Bishop McCort Question
Posted: September 13th, 2013, 7:18 pm
by Suckerfish
Another year, another debate, another year my post is unable to be responded to. You see I never said recruiting takes place... I dont think a coach is stupid enough in todays age to do this not that it doesn't happen... Now kids and good athletes on the other hand make great recruiting tools...most kids near and far know each other... A student doesn't have to live or move into a private schools area or district to attend nor do they have to take any time of to play, they are mearly approved... Public schools on the other hand, you must physically live in the district and attend based on educational reasons... Again read my previous post about how having the ability to draw from multiple districts can be a huge benefit
Re: Bishop McCort Question
Posted: September 14th, 2013, 3:40 pm
by NaTo1
Sit in the vicinity of BMs trisport all star mom, especially during basketball, she loves nothing more than to spout of how her son gets a full ride to the school.
Re: Bishop McCort Question
Posted: September 15th, 2013, 6:34 pm
by Blueandwhitefan
Sucker fish as I have said in previous post. Coached DO NOT RECRUIT. But, Boosters DO RECRUIT. I personally know (and they freely admit) 1 football player and 3 female volleyball/basketball players that were showed absolutely no interest in BM or BC but were contacted by boosters and offered full scholarships with transportation. The Football player did accept and played line for BM. The three females refused the offer and won the district 6 in volleyball and basketball and played in the final 8 in class a for volleyball.