High School Recruiting

[CRDomination05]

I too have heard the heart warming story of Mark Boyer. Fortunatly for Mark his Arabian Uncle has passed away. He can't hold him back now. Mark's freind CRdiscman obviously knows the constant hell Mark goes through everyday he walks into CR. It is time that Mark takes a stand and fights for what he believes in. I can only wish him luck. God speed Mark Boyer......

[El-Moldo]

The parameters had been set in this discussion about comparing McCort and FH college football players. They were "players who had gone off to college and done well at the Div I, I-AA, or II level since Artell Hawkins in 1992". Is this not true? We are comparing schools here, not coaches. Even though Salem has been mentioned in the discussion. My reason for comparing schools is that Don Bailey has been criticized on here for supposedly NOT helping his players move on to the next level. Username6 said that Shawn Lewis would not have gone D1 if he had played under Bailey. Opinionguy said that Shawn would not have gone D1 if he had not gone to McCort. Spanky said that Bailey doesn't do much for the kids who go to college. Therefore I had to prove them wrong. That FH indeed has sent many kids to the next level under Coach Bailey. The 6 players I mentioned should cast NO doubt on the past performance of FH getting kids to the next level. McCort's success in this department IS PALE compared to FH since 1992. AND I did not even include ALL FH kids who went off to play football at any level, whether they succeeded or not. As recruiting guru said, the coach just gets them there. What happens after that depends on the kid.

[El-Moldo]

recruiting guru: Let's discuss your last post for a minute. First of all, don't put words in my mouth. Show me where I said that if a kid does not shine in college it means they have a bad high school coach? Come on, show me. I want to see it in print.......Now 1) Yes I named only 3 players from the Salem era. So what. See above paragraph for parameters of the discussion. 2) As far as the Patriot League is concerned. Yes there are NO athletic scholarships. But going for next to nothing is tremendous. You don't see this much in regular students. Isn't it amazing how EXTRA money shows up out of nowhere for football players at Lehigh, Lafayette, etc. You know yourself that more money and aid are found for athletes. So going for almost free IS A BIG DEAL!!! 3) All I said was done well in college. Who were those McCort players that again "done well" in football within our parameters? 4) How many of the FH players are still playing? This isn't the NFL where you can play forever. Kids do graduate you know. Don't forget the parameters of our discussion. 5) If Andrew lettered, good for him. Just explain the drought between Artrell and Andrew. That's all I'm asking.

[Lion-line05]

Yes Good Luck to Mark in his Choice to Fail 12th grade and transfer over to BEDFORD for yet another full season of Football I really Hope that by going to BEDFORD that he get's looked at by D1 schools like MIAMI and USC and OKLAHOMA and LSU but if he goes to PENN STATE that would be good too!!!

[CRLionDawg]

So are we discussing the issue of recruiting in HS or whether FH or McCort does a better job? SOunds to me like a kid could do well for himself at either place.

The question is this. If you are a kid that is interested in playing HS football for a team that is competetive, has a committed coaching staff, and will be able to fit into that program. Why shouldnt you be able to transfer to it? Especially if the place you are currently attending could care less about the things that are important to you?

[El-Moldo]

Why shouldn't kids be able to transfer for athletic reasons? One word...CHAOS. And who's to keep a kid from skipping around several times during his 4 years of high school. That great philosopher Mick Jagger once said " You can't always get what you want. But if you try sometimes, you just might find, you get what you need". Let's take the me, myself and I out of athletics and keep kids in their home district, within boundaries.

[ham55]

Is this Mark story true, or is it another bullpuckey story coming out of Ridge???

[CRLionDawg]

There needs to be a formal systematic option for kids that want/need to move from one school to another. Right now there isnt any single incentive inplace for a poor/mediocre school to take steps to improve.

[once a runner]

First of all, I can't see where someone "needs" to transfer for athletic reasons.

Secondly, don't you think every schools wants their athletic teams to do well? Like it or not, athletics gives a school a large part of its image. I don't think there is a community out there that didn't wish they had great athletic teams.

However, some schools hire with education in mind first, not athletics. If sports become so important that schools feel the need to hire a good coach before a good educator, the education of students at that school will be less than it could. (I'm not saying that a person can't be a great educator and coach, but it doesn't always happen that way).

Let me ask you this, would you encourage a promising athlete to go to a school that exceled in athletics, but their academic reputation was less than the school they currently attend?

Opinionguy: do you think those stud athletes from BV would transfer to BC if BC had to play AAA or AAAA?

[CRLionDawg]

Sure there are reasons to switch schools for Athletic reasons. You arent getting any chance to play at your present school and if you transfer it will be a better fit for you.

No, not all schools want to have their athletic teams do well. Sure they offer a program, but they staff the coaching ranks with warm bodies that dont care if the kids learn anything or not, nor do they do anything to organize the younger kids into situations where they can receive proper training.

Never switch to a school that has a poor reputation academically. You can have both, and there are plenty of examples out there. When it comes down to athletic recruiting, the coaches sort through the academic performance as well.