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It builds character!!!! Getting the crap beat out of you by a drunken father all the time is something everyone should experience, like the waterslides at Idlewild! A little tough love never hurt anybody, right? Then it's also okay to beat your wife too, correct? Or only if its a defenseless child? I can't believe this guy is allowed to be the head of a youth group! More like Hitler Youth. Maybe you and Ratzinger have more in common than initially thought.

[quote="Lemmy";p="90396"]Are there more case of these types abuse now or are we just hearing about them easier because this is the information age?[/quote]

I agree, I don't think it's happening more now than before, but I really don't know for sure. I think you and I will agree though, one time is too many. We just know more often when it does happen nowadays.

Terribly sad story about your friend. I think that's a perfect example of the years of emotional harm that can be done to someone attacked like this. Do you think that some of the issues may be because of the abortion? I'm not suggesting they are, I'm just asking. I have read articles where women sometimes carry guilt following an abortion, even in cases of rape.

Your views on abortion differ somewhat from mine. I feel the only time an abortion should be performed is when the mother/child will both die if the pregnancy continues, and there is absolutely no way the child can live outside the womb. I do like that you included the word "rare" though. That says a lot about your thinking. Too often, abortions are used as a form of birth control.

Used as a form of birth control. Do you know that when a woman has an abortion her chances of having a child again are lower each time by like 20% percent?

And if D-nice is going to non-chalantly say that getting beaten and abused is good character-development, what is sex between two people who are in love and then one of them gets screwed over in the end? What's that, then? I guess that's not good character-development.

If you can't trust a girl with a decision, you cannot trust her with a baby.

Personal involvement is something entirely different. If a sex offender was released after rehab and moved across the street, if I had kids, I'd also have a loaded shotgun, just in case. It would be one more thing to worry about, just in case he isn't rehabilitated.

And what I mean by not having irrepairable harm is that through counseling and forgiveness and whatever, perhaps they can come to a better state of mental health. Rape, of course, is a different story, as well as murder.

But the father beating his kid, is related to the topic in a way, because he's hurting his child just as well, and that is in some ways, just as bad as molesting, if not worse. Besides the obvious physical harm, that child is going to grow up wondering if he wasn't good enough, or why he could never seem to please his dad. Why wasn't his dad there to help him? Why did his dad beat on him? Did daddy hate him? I mean, psychologically, that child will carry scars with him for life. And you say that if he's rehabilitated, he should get another chance to be a father? Interesting view. If I were that kid, I wouldn't want near him for quite a while. Maybe the kid could handle a few well supervised visits from this man, but no way could he be a father. Maybe biologically, but as far as raising him, I think that he screwed that chance up.

And with child molesters, I am kind of taking the same approach. Assuming that they are rehabilitated, let them back out into society, but heaven help them if they have any more than passing contact with any young children. And if a repeat offense happens, then put them in one of those little solitary confinement cells and give them bread and water. If they manage to hang themselves, fine, it opens the cell up for somebody else.

[quote="fleaflicker";p="90435"]Personal involvement is something entirely different. If a sex offender was released after rehab and moved across the street, if I had kids, I'd also have a loaded shotgun, just in case. It would be one more thing to worry about, just in case he isn't rehabilitated. [/quote]

flea said: "Personal involvement is something entirely different."

I completely understand now. Why was I so stupid?

You're ok with releasing child molesters back on the street, just as long as they don't live near you.

As much as we would like to believe we can watch over our kids 24/7, it just isn't possible (unless they live in a bubble). I think my kids would be walking around with a loaded shotgun if a child molester moved in beside us.

Did the family of the girl raped and murdered know he was released?

There needs to be a federal standard for releasing them back into the public after lengthy jail terms.

Yes, I would be watching his every move like a hawk, as any good parent would. But also, what if one is the sex offender, or a friend of that person? Would you like them being thrown away for the rest of their life, when possibly he could rehabilitated and do some good to society?

Also, as a human being, even if the sex offender lived right across the street, I would be willing to give him a second chance to suceed as a person and at life. The shotgun would be ready just in case, but why shouldn't a person that could possibly be rehabilitated, not be? I mean, no, I wouldn't let the kids near him or anything, but that is more common sense. Other than that, I'd just leave him be, and see what happens.

Dream team or not, OJ still had to go thru the court system to be proven innocent or guilty. The judge and jury were not paid off were they? Many have hired the best defense teams and have been convicted of their crimes. I actually don't think you got my point. Since when should money stand in the way of finding and providing justice?

The solution is easy. Castrate them. Make them eunichs and the problem is solved! lol.

lol. Not a bad idea. Castrating convicted sexual offenders would be a major deterrent.