Re: The Old Guys
Posted: November 17th, 2014, 6:36 pm
Manfred why Cecere and not Richardson or Kudlaweic (spelling)
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I truly hope you would ascend beyond that. Oh wait- you think you're already there.TheBigH wrote:Funny coming from the guy who just pretty much told me that one day I'll be as knowledgeable and wise as he is. Pretty humble statement there.Manfred wrote:That 'H' really doesn't stand for humble, does it.
This^^^^^. The "this is the way we've always done it" ******** is the reason why so many programs are stuck in the 80's with no concept at all of how to move upward.TheBigH wrote:Really? You people with your "back in my day" mentality are completely ridiculous.Manfred wrote:Ding! Ding! Ding! Winner, winner, chicken dinner!sportsfan5721 wrote:Old guys new guys it doesn't matter. ALL THESE COACHES ARE GREAT!!! Problem is this generation of kids. All they want to do is show up first day of camp cause they are all superstars. Don't need to lift offseason and don't need to attend summer workouts. Another huge problem is parents letting them do as they please.... End of story. Discipline taken away awhile back has that wonderous trickle effect right into sports.![]()
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Wow that does not answer my question in anyway thanks for such good insightManfred wrote:Youngbuck, Don will decide if and when it's time to step down.
crfball, Yes he is.
Some of what you say I agree with and the rest as you say is garbage. Just another knock on older coaches the game is skills and drills x's and o's Pretty simple. Assistants if their doing their job end up doing all the coaching anyway and being the role model. Coaches needing to know what texting is just stupid throw those things away and go visit someone and talk. You make to many excuses for what is wrong and the parents everywhere you go want to run the program and they have the influence to not push a kid to get to practice or go lift weights naaah bud sorry that's not a good example or running a good program. Coach can influence so much before a weak Athletic Director and a spineless Administration cracks to what parents don't like. Sometimes truth bites down hard but maybe it will wake up people. What the heck area are you talking about I mentioned no area its here or there not everywhere and I have seen it.Hush1 wrote:This comment is garbage and is exactly why the "old guard" does not always find the success it once did. On top of that, it's ridiculous to vilify teenage kids for the characteristics they have growing up in the world we live in today...which was made possible by the "old guys".sportsfan5721 wrote:Old guys new guys it doesn't matter. ALL THESE COACHES ARE GREAT!!! Problem is this generation of kids. All they want to do is show up first day of camp cause they are all superstars. Don't need to lift offseason and don't need to attend summer workouts. Another huge problem is parents letting them do as they please.... End of story. Discipline taken away awhile back has that wonderous trickle effect right into sports.
This generation of kids is completely different than prior generations and if you don't understand that as a coach, you have next to no chance of being successful because you will not understand how to reach these kids.
It's pretty simple: if you yell or scream at a kid, he's got better things to do with his time; he doesn't want screamed at, he wants to be taught, and if you're not going to do that, he's going to go play golf or soccer or Playstation 4. You have to know how to communicate with today's player in order to motivate and inspire him and bring him to his full potential. The player has to know you care, or he's not going to care about what you say or want. It's a very fine line to walk between friendship and coaching, but when done correctly, it results in MENTORSHIP, which is the #1 job of a coach. That's also part of the problem - you have too many knuckleheads in this area who aren't smart enough or good-hearted enough to know that wins aren't the most important thing, but how you influence these young men & women is. And when you have a 67-year old who doesn't know what a text message is and you're trying to guide these young men to be of good character and succeed in the classroom and on the football field, you're not going to have a whole lot of credibility with a 16-year old when you scream at him and call him a p*ssy.
I'm not saying that all coaches of an older generation are like this, but I would say the majority are. I've seen several coaches who had great coaching legacies try to return to glory one last time, only to completely fail, losing their teams by mid-season or sooner. And it's not fair to those kids, who don't get the best chance to learn, succeed, grow and reach their potential, all because someone past their prime wants one last day in the sun, or has "unfinished business".
And yes, to back up whomever said it, these kids have more demands on them today than anyone from a previous generation has ever had: more academic pressure, more social pressure with sex, drugs, and an upside-down society; and certainly more pressure and demand to excel in multiple sports that didn't exist in this area years ago, and many of them lift weights and workout while playing other sports 11 months out of the year.
Shame on you for blaming teenagers and parents, when a coach has the ability to have a major influence on each one of those players' lives and a responsibility to put in the effort to reach all of them...especially the kids that aren't showing up, aren't listening, and aren't excelling. If you can't do that, or won't try...you shouldn't be on the sideline.
Coaching is serving. You've got it the other way around.
You just keep making yourself sound terrible.sportsfan5721 wrote:Some of what you say I agree with and the rest as you say is garbage. Just another knock on older coaches the game is skills and drills x's and o's Pretty simple. Assistants if their doing their job end up doing all the coaching anyway and being the role model. Coaches needing to know what texting is just stupid throw those things away and go visit someone and talk. You make to many excuses for what is wrong and the parents everywhere you go want to run the program and they have the influence to not push a kid to get to practice or go lift weights naaah bud sorry that's not a good example or running a good program. Coach can influence so much before a weak Athletic Director and a spineless Administration cracks to what parents don't like. Sometimes truth bites down hard but maybe it will wake up people. What the heck area are you talking about I mentioned no area its here or there not everywhere and I have seen it.Hush1 wrote:This comment is garbage and is exactly why the "old guard" does not always find the success it once did. On top of that, it's ridiculous to vilify teenage kids for the characteristics they have growing up in the world we live in today...which was made possible by the "old guys".sportsfan5721 wrote:Old guys new guys it doesn't matter. ALL THESE COACHES ARE GREAT!!! Problem is this generation of kids. All they want to do is show up first day of camp cause they are all superstars. Don't need to lift offseason and don't need to attend summer workouts. Another huge problem is parents letting them do as they please.... End of story. Discipline taken away awhile back has that wonderous trickle effect right into sports.
This generation of kids is completely different than prior generations and if you don't understand that as a coach, you have next to no chance of being successful because you will not understand how to reach these kids.
It's pretty simple: if you yell or scream at a kid, he's got better things to do with his time; he doesn't want screamed at, he wants to be taught, and if you're not going to do that, he's going to go play golf or soccer or Playstation 4. You have to know how to communicate with today's player in order to motivate and inspire him and bring him to his full potential. The player has to know you care, or he's not going to care about what you say or want. It's a very fine line to walk between friendship and coaching, but when done correctly, it results in MENTORSHIP, which is the #1 job of a coach. That's also part of the problem - you have too many knuckleheads in this area who aren't smart enough or good-hearted enough to know that wins aren't the most important thing, but how you influence these young men & women is. And when you have a 67-year old who doesn't know what a text message is and you're trying to guide these young men to be of good character and succeed in the classroom and on the football field, you're not going to have a whole lot of credibility with a 16-year old when you scream at him and call him a p*ssy.
I'm not saying that all coaches of an older generation are like this, but I would say the majority are. I've seen several coaches who had great coaching legacies try to return to glory one last time, only to completely fail, losing their teams by mid-season or sooner. And it's not fair to those kids, who don't get the best chance to learn, succeed, grow and reach their potential, all because someone past their prime wants one last day in the sun, or has "unfinished business".
And yes, to back up whomever said it, these kids have more demands on them today than anyone from a previous generation has ever had: more academic pressure, more social pressure with sex, drugs, and an upside-down society; and certainly more pressure and demand to excel in multiple sports that didn't exist in this area years ago, and many of them lift weights and workout while playing other sports 11 months out of the year.
Shame on you for blaming teenagers and parents, when a coach has the ability to have a major influence on each one of those players' lives and a responsibility to put in the effort to reach all of them...especially the kids that aren't showing up, aren't listening, and aren't excelling. If you can't do that, or won't try...you shouldn't be on the sideline.
Coaching is serving. You've got it the other way around.