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Re: The Old Guys

Posted: November 17th, 2014, 6:36 pm
by crfball
Manfred why Cecere and not Richardson or Kudlaweic (spelling)

Re: The Old Guys

Posted: November 17th, 2014, 7:15 pm
by El-Moldo
More than likely they will need Kudlawiec on defense. And this year, you saw what happens when your QB plays defense too.

Re: The Old Guys

Posted: November 17th, 2014, 7:17 pm
by Manfred
TheBigH wrote:
Manfred wrote:That 'H' really doesn't stand for humble, does it.
Funny coming from the guy who just pretty much told me that one day I'll be as knowledgeable and wise as he is. Pretty humble statement there.
I truly hope you would ascend beyond that. Oh wait- you think you're already there.

Re: The Old Guys

Posted: November 17th, 2014, 7:21 pm
by Hush1
TheBigH wrote:
Manfred wrote:
sportsfan5721 wrote:Old guys new guys it doesn't matter. ALL THESE COACHES ARE GREAT!!! Problem is this generation of kids. All they want to do is show up first day of camp cause they are all superstars. Don't need to lift offseason and don't need to attend summer workouts. Another huge problem is parents letting them do as they please.... End of story. Discipline taken away awhile back has that wonderous trickle effect right into sports.
Ding! Ding! Ding! Winner, winner, chicken dinner! :ymapplause: :ymapplause: :ymapplause:
Really? You people with your "back in my day" mentality are completely ridiculous.
This^^^^^. The "this is the way we've always done it" ******** is the reason why so many programs are stuck in the 80's with no concept at all of how to move upward.

Re: The Old Guys

Posted: November 17th, 2014, 7:58 pm
by youngbuck
Manfred wrote:Youngbuck, Don will decide if and when it's time to step down.
crfball, Yes he is.
Wow that does not answer my question in anyway thanks for such good insight

Adam Cicrere's father is Ralph Cicere administrator and D6 football chair man and his mother is FH girls basketball coach, so he comes from athletic family with good understanding of sports
he was bumped to 8th grade team as a 7th grader and was solid for level of comp, it sounds like he was even better this year as they went undefeated, he is nice tall kid with good arm strength, and more importantly seems very coachable,
reminds people of Matt Danel from the 90's in that everyone in the school knew he was going to be the qb

Re: The Old Guys

Posted: November 17th, 2014, 9:47 pm
by El-Moldo
Would compare him MORE to Dave Poldiak than Danel (although Matt had one hell of a supporting cast). By the end of his freshman year, Poldiak WAS the starter. Then guided the Rangers for the next three years. And as far as the '80's and '90's were concerned, football was better. Just about EVERY team could win on any given weekend. Didn't see many poor teams in those days. Now you have a few good teams, and a lot of mediocre ones.

Re: The Old Guys

Posted: November 17th, 2014, 9:57 pm
by Hush1
Google "Adam Cecere HUDL" and you'll find HUDL highlights. Or, you can click here: http://www.hudl.com/athlete/3650935/adam-cecere.

For you old guys, HUDL is this fancy schmansy new web-based software for watching & breaking down film, which is amongst a hundred or so other great features for coaching staffs and teams...like making easy highlight cut-ups. Almost every high school in the country is using it now.

First of all, the kid looks like a freaking man amongst boys. Very polished as a passer - watch his footwork - and runs like a deer. Even better, he likes to hit from his MLB spot. I came away very, very impressed.

Now, he's in 8th grade and is 6'2" 180lbs - he's obviously ahead in his growth spurt - and his stats are Nike Sparq Combine Verified, which makes it obvious that not only has someone been working with him very closely for a long time (his father?) but his parents are putting him in camps/clinics/etc. that matter. Sounds like a true QB prospect to me. If I were Don Bailey, I'd be postponing retirement, too.

Re: The Old Guys

Posted: November 18th, 2014, 12:08 am
by sportsfan5721
Hush1 wrote:
sportsfan5721 wrote:Old guys new guys it doesn't matter. ALL THESE COACHES ARE GREAT!!! Problem is this generation of kids. All they want to do is show up first day of camp cause they are all superstars. Don't need to lift offseason and don't need to attend summer workouts. Another huge problem is parents letting them do as they please.... End of story. Discipline taken away awhile back has that wonderous trickle effect right into sports.
This comment is garbage and is exactly why the "old guard" does not always find the success it once did. On top of that, it's ridiculous to vilify teenage kids for the characteristics they have growing up in the world we live in today...which was made possible by the "old guys".

This generation of kids is completely different than prior generations and if you don't understand that as a coach, you have next to no chance of being successful because you will not understand how to reach these kids.

It's pretty simple: if you yell or scream at a kid, he's got better things to do with his time; he doesn't want screamed at, he wants to be taught, and if you're not going to do that, he's going to go play golf or soccer or Playstation 4. You have to know how to communicate with today's player in order to motivate and inspire him and bring him to his full potential. The player has to know you care, or he's not going to care about what you say or want. It's a very fine line to walk between friendship and coaching, but when done correctly, it results in MENTORSHIP, which is the #1 job of a coach. That's also part of the problem - you have too many knuckleheads in this area who aren't smart enough or good-hearted enough to know that wins aren't the most important thing, but how you influence these young men & women is. And when you have a 67-year old who doesn't know what a text message is and you're trying to guide these young men to be of good character and succeed in the classroom and on the football field, you're not going to have a whole lot of credibility with a 16-year old when you scream at him and call him a p*ssy.

I'm not saying that all coaches of an older generation are like this, but I would say the majority are. I've seen several coaches who had great coaching legacies try to return to glory one last time, only to completely fail, losing their teams by mid-season or sooner. And it's not fair to those kids, who don't get the best chance to learn, succeed, grow and reach their potential, all because someone past their prime wants one last day in the sun, or has "unfinished business".

And yes, to back up whomever said it, these kids have more demands on them today than anyone from a previous generation has ever had: more academic pressure, more social pressure with sex, drugs, and an upside-down society; and certainly more pressure and demand to excel in multiple sports that didn't exist in this area years ago, and many of them lift weights and workout while playing other sports 11 months out of the year.

Shame on you for blaming teenagers and parents, when a coach has the ability to have a major influence on each one of those players' lives and a responsibility to put in the effort to reach all of them...especially the kids that aren't showing up, aren't listening, and aren't excelling. If you can't do that, or won't try...you shouldn't be on the sideline.

Coaching is serving. You've got it the other way around.
Some of what you say I agree with and the rest as you say is garbage. Just another knock on older coaches the game is skills and drills x's and o's Pretty simple. Assistants if their doing their job end up doing all the coaching anyway and being the role model. Coaches needing to know what texting is just stupid throw those things away and go visit someone and talk. You make to many excuses for what is wrong and the parents everywhere you go want to run the program and they have the influence to not push a kid to get to practice or go lift weights naaah bud sorry that's not a good example or running a good program. Coach can influence so much before a weak Athletic Director and a spineless Administration cracks to what parents don't like. Sometimes truth bites down hard but maybe it will wake up people. What the heck area are you talking about I mentioned no area its here or there not everywhere and I have seen it.

Re: The Old Guys

Posted: November 18th, 2014, 8:39 am
by Hush1
sportsfan5721 wrote:
Hush1 wrote:
sportsfan5721 wrote:Old guys new guys it doesn't matter. ALL THESE COACHES ARE GREAT!!! Problem is this generation of kids. All they want to do is show up first day of camp cause they are all superstars. Don't need to lift offseason and don't need to attend summer workouts. Another huge problem is parents letting them do as they please.... End of story. Discipline taken away awhile back has that wonderous trickle effect right into sports.
This comment is garbage and is exactly why the "old guard" does not always find the success it once did. On top of that, it's ridiculous to vilify teenage kids for the characteristics they have growing up in the world we live in today...which was made possible by the "old guys".

This generation of kids is completely different than prior generations and if you don't understand that as a coach, you have next to no chance of being successful because you will not understand how to reach these kids.

It's pretty simple: if you yell or scream at a kid, he's got better things to do with his time; he doesn't want screamed at, he wants to be taught, and if you're not going to do that, he's going to go play golf or soccer or Playstation 4. You have to know how to communicate with today's player in order to motivate and inspire him and bring him to his full potential. The player has to know you care, or he's not going to care about what you say or want. It's a very fine line to walk between friendship and coaching, but when done correctly, it results in MENTORSHIP, which is the #1 job of a coach. That's also part of the problem - you have too many knuckleheads in this area who aren't smart enough or good-hearted enough to know that wins aren't the most important thing, but how you influence these young men & women is. And when you have a 67-year old who doesn't know what a text message is and you're trying to guide these young men to be of good character and succeed in the classroom and on the football field, you're not going to have a whole lot of credibility with a 16-year old when you scream at him and call him a p*ssy.

I'm not saying that all coaches of an older generation are like this, but I would say the majority are. I've seen several coaches who had great coaching legacies try to return to glory one last time, only to completely fail, losing their teams by mid-season or sooner. And it's not fair to those kids, who don't get the best chance to learn, succeed, grow and reach their potential, all because someone past their prime wants one last day in the sun, or has "unfinished business".

And yes, to back up whomever said it, these kids have more demands on them today than anyone from a previous generation has ever had: more academic pressure, more social pressure with sex, drugs, and an upside-down society; and certainly more pressure and demand to excel in multiple sports that didn't exist in this area years ago, and many of them lift weights and workout while playing other sports 11 months out of the year.

Shame on you for blaming teenagers and parents, when a coach has the ability to have a major influence on each one of those players' lives and a responsibility to put in the effort to reach all of them...especially the kids that aren't showing up, aren't listening, and aren't excelling. If you can't do that, or won't try...you shouldn't be on the sideline.

Coaching is serving. You've got it the other way around.
Some of what you say I agree with and the rest as you say is garbage. Just another knock on older coaches the game is skills and drills x's and o's Pretty simple. Assistants if their doing their job end up doing all the coaching anyway and being the role model. Coaches needing to know what texting is just stupid throw those things away and go visit someone and talk. You make to many excuses for what is wrong and the parents everywhere you go want to run the program and they have the influence to not push a kid to get to practice or go lift weights naaah bud sorry that's not a good example or running a good program. Coach can influence so much before a weak Athletic Director and a spineless Administration cracks to what parents don't like. Sometimes truth bites down hard but maybe it will wake up people. What the heck area are you talking about I mentioned no area its here or there not everywhere and I have seen it.
You just keep making yourself sound terrible.

Game is just "skills and drills x's and o's Pretty simple," huh? First of all, let me introduce you to my friend, his name is Grammar and he has a really nice sister named Punctuation.

The game is NOT just that, and that's where the out-of-touch old timers DON'T GET IT.

"Assistants if doing their job end up doing all the coaching anyway and being the role model." Are you serious? It's the Head Coach's job to set the entire tone and be leading from the front. That's why he's the HEAD COACH. That's what LEADERSHIP is.

"Coaches needing to know what texting is just stupid throw those things away and go visit someone and talk." Yep, I'm sure that 14-year old will just saddle up his horse and make the ride into town to visit Cousin Jimmy to shoot the stuff. Obviously, you don't live in today's world.

I know full well that parents want input now more than ever into THEIR childrens' athletic programs, but if they're being coached by people that think like YOU, I can't blame them! And at the end of the day, it's YOUR responsibility to motivate those kids to get to the weight room and MAKE them want to buy in to the program and train. If not, it's YOU that's failing, not the parent...and the majority of parents in Central PA WANT their kids to succeed, so they will do what they have to do to make sure their kid buys in and puts in the work. You're using the laziness and silliness of a small group of parents and painting the rest with broad strokes and a big brush.

Yes, parents can influence an athletic director or administration, whose job it is to make sure you're doing YOUR job and that they're protecting the school and the child. If a parent has a concern, they have a right to raise it, and the admin has a responsibility to look into it, but if you're doing your job the right way, and that parent & player can come to YOU first, like they should, then it would never get to that level, unless your actions are stepping over a more serious line.

Honestly, rereading your post, it's so illogical and out of touch that I wouldn't doubt it if you were never a coach...or were drunk when posting.

Re: The Old Guys

Posted: November 18th, 2014, 8:54 am
by rox5488
I don't think Mr. Bailey was considering retiring anyway. The last time I heard he stated he would continue to coach as long as he felt good and enjoyed it. This year with injury issue to the QB and 2 games out for Blough probably goes down as a slight disappointment but you can't control that stuff even if you are THE best coach ever. It happens... I'm sure he is looking forward to Next year already... and of course having a very gifted young athelete coming up in the ranks always supports that 1 more year attitude for a coach! I also agree on that note that Cecere (SP?) will in fact be a starter rapidly. Mr. Bailey has shown in the past he likes to start his talent Young at the QB position when justified...