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Re: Benedict the XVI

Posted: April 22nd, 2005, 8:21 pm
by Pale Rider
And they're getting back at us via all the CASINO'S all across the country. Stupid paleface can't live without gambling!

Re: Benedict the XVI

Posted: April 22nd, 2005, 8:26 pm
by El-Moldo
It is better to survive and worry about that other stuff later. Certainly it is better than being wiped off the face of the earth and NOT getting a chance to rise from oppression!! What good is a dead Indian to his tribe? At least if you are alive there is always hope that you can rise out of your situation.

Re: Benedict the XVI

Posted: April 22nd, 2005, 8:28 pm
by DCPassarelli
As if the Native Americans are or ever will be in a situation to rise out of their current situation.

Re: Benedict the XVI

Posted: April 22nd, 2005, 8:47 pm
by Pale Rider
Like every other conquered ethnic group, you become assimilated into the dominant society. I should know; I'm like 1/16 Seneca. One of my ancestors was a Seneca princess by the name of Queen Aliquippa. Go ahead, laugh, but I swear that isn't a made-up name. My sister is BIG into researching the family tree and she came across this FACT!

Re: Benedict the XVI

Posted: April 22nd, 2005, 8:54 pm
by El-Moldo
They may or may not rise out of their situation, but at least they're not in their happy hunting ground. Pale Rider just mentioned Casinos. That's a start. Maybe cowboy and Indian movies will make a comeback. You never know!!

Re: Benedict the XVI

Posted: April 22nd, 2005, 10:00 pm
by The Ancient Enemy
Oh, they're not in their happy hunting ground? Show me 2 Indians. I guess you never heard of the smallpox-on-the-blankets and mass exterminations.

Hey Moldo... let's see some facts about France's state of the nation in the 1860's. England told the South to leave, because of political implications. Who's a bigger ally? Waiting patiently.

Re: Benedict the XVI

Posted: April 22nd, 2005, 10:26 pm
by El-Moldo
While I'm looking up France in the 1860's, let's here all about those mass exterminations of Indians. What did you mean by Show me 2 Indians?

Re: Benedict the XVI

Posted: April 22nd, 2005, 11:15 pm
by El-Moldo
As everyone knows, both Britain and France in the 1860's had quite an interest in the Civil War, particularly with regard to the South. Britain dearly needed the South's cotton. It's no secret that Britain supplied the South with ships during the conflict. France, which already controlled Mexico with Maximillian indeed desired an alliance with the South. After all, they were in violation of the Monroe Doctrine. The North wasn't going to stand for their presence in Mexico for long. Several times France's Emporer Napoleon tried to get the conflict stopped, especially in 1863 when he tried to get Russia and Britain to go along with him and get the North to agree to a 6 month armistice. This would have truely benefited the South. However, the other countries would not go along with Napoleon. So you see, all through the war the South kept entertaining the hope the Europe would intervene in their behalf, or recognize them as a government of their own. So even when they were losing on the battlefield at the end, there was still hope.

Re: Benedict the XVI

Posted: April 22nd, 2005, 11:39 pm
by The Ancient Enemy
Nice research. Comes right back to what I already said: they had hope because they FOUGHT THE WAR. Is it not the hope of ANY nation in wartime to hope that other countries help them out? But the Confederacy didn't take it on the chin time after time. Say what you want about the Confederate motives, but at least they were so pissed off they tried to do something about it. They could have "crawled back into their tee-pees" and awaited their DESTINED over-powerment. I'm not glorifying the South here, that's southpaw's job.

Moldo, does not occur to you that maybe those countries were awaiting to see what the South accomplished? They were getting defeated. Hey, I'll make you a promise. If you build a university on your land up there, I promise I'll start scouring Texas for football recruits. Until the school is in place, I'll just keep watching high school football casually. Fair enough?

Guess they never taught you about Wounded Knee down in Oakland.

Here's a list of massacres for all my Peeps out there:

List of massacres
Here is a list of the larger or more widely known massacres in North America:

March 22, 1622 - Jamestown Massacre - Powhatans kill 347 English settlers throughout the Virginia colony.
May 26, 1637 - In the Pequot War, English colonists, with Mohegan and Narragansett allies, attack a large Pequot village on the Mystic River in what is now Connecticut and kill perhaps 500 villagers.
February 8, 1690 - French and Iroquois destroy Schenectady, NY, killing 60, including 10 women and 12-17 children.
August 1757 - 70-180 British and colonial prisoners killed by Indian allies of the French after the fall of Fort William Henry.
July 3, 1778 - Wyoming Valley Massacre -- Occurred during the American Revolutionary War; labeled a massacre but most deaths were in battle.
1778 - Cherry Valley Massacre, New York - over 30 settlers killed.
1782 - Gnadenhutten massacre - in the final stages of the American Revolutionary War, nearly 100 noncombatant Christian Delaware (Lenape) Indians (mostly women and children) are killed one at a time (with a hammer blow to the head) by Pennsylvania militiamen.
January, 1813 - River Raisin Massacre - 30-60 Kentucky militia killed after surrendering.
April 22, 1818 - Chehaw Affair - United States troops attack a non-hostile village during First Seminole War, killing an estimated fifty men, women, and children.
1832 - Black Hawk War - 850 men, women, and children are slaughtered in Bad Ax, Wisconsin by white soldiers
1836 - Fort Parker Massacre - 6 men killed by a mixed group of Native Americans in Limestone County, Texas
October 5, 1838 - Killough Massacre - 18 members of the Killough extended family, one of the last massacred in Texas
1848 - Whitman massacre in Walla Walla, Washington
1854 - Kaibai Creek, California - 42 Winnemem Wintu men, women, and children are killed by white settlers
1855 - Grattan Massacre, Brule Sioux in Nebraska Territory.
February 26, 1860 - Humboldt County, California - upwards of 100 Wiyot men, women, and children are slaughtered by settlers.
1862 - As many as 800 settlers killed in uprising of Santee Sioux.
January 29, 1863 - Bear River Massacre - upwards of 200 men, women, and children are slaughtered by whites near Preston, Idaho.
April 19, 1863 - Keyesville Massacre - in Kern County, California - 35 Tehachapi men are killed by whites [1] (http://fp3.antelecom.net/vredenb/history/mclaughlin.htm)
November 29, 1864 - Sand Creek Massacre - Sand Creek, Colorado - upwards of 160 Cheyenne men, women, and children are slaughtered by militiamen
November 27, 1868 - Washita Massacre - Washita River, Oklahoma - 100 people killed. (This is often considered a battle, not a massacre.)
January 23, 1870 - Marias Massacre - 200 Piegans, mainly elderly, women, and children, slaughtered by whites
December 29, 1890 - Wounded Knee Massacre - Wounded Knee, South Dakota - up to 300 Sioux men, women, and children are killed by US soldiers.

I even included the massacres where the Indians fought back.

Re: Benedict the XVI

Posted: April 23rd, 2005, 7:26 pm
by El-Moldo
How about all the isolated massacres of families BY THE INDIANS during the French and Indian War? And all the massacres before that war when settlers were moving west of the Susquehanna river, and into Western Massachusetts and New York. All these isolated and unprovoked attacks on farmhouses and homesteads, even in Bedford County, are worthy of mention, or does only quantity matter. Again, what was one of the purposes of Fort Bedford, for Saturday night hoe-downs? To think that Indians were innocent during this clash of cultures is naive. They were to blame for alot of animosity towards them. If grandpa was murdered and scalped by Indians in Western Pa in 1762, no wonder his grandchildren hated the Indians when they moved west into the prairie. Watch "The Last of the Mohicans" again. That Stuff Happened!!!! Take a ride around Bedford County. See how many tombstones read "Killed by Indians"..... By the way, do those massacres of Indians you mentioned qualify for the "MASS EXTERMINATION" you mentioned? Go back to the examples you just gave: Starting in 1862 your examples showed 800 whites massacred. They show approx 1000 Indians massacred. Difference net MINUS 200 for the Indians. Mass extermination????