Youth Football Debate
Re: Youth Football Debate
You seem so good at reading up. YOu should have noticed that I do not categorize all coaches as you stated. I simply think that giving kids too many awards and accolations at a young age ruins them. If you have coached likeyou say you have, you have heard the following statements then. " Man that Jones kid(just an hypothetical example) was awesome in elementary, where is he at now. " IN fact, from reading your posts, you seem like a person that would say that kind of thing.
Sometimes, and I stress sometimes for the intellectuals like LionDawg, these kids get labels on them at too young an age and never live up to it. I think sometimes these leagues that are a little too gung ho, end up to have a negative effect on SOME kids.
As for "dissing" elementary or any level coaches, no way. I think what these people give is a great sacrifice. I would never imply that. I would imply that sometimes, and you know this is true, you find elementary league coaches that care only about winning and not teaching the fundamentals of the sport. and again I stress sometimes.
I think the one exception would be wrestling. that is what is great about it.
Sometimes, and I stress sometimes for the intellectuals like LionDawg, these kids get labels on them at too young an age and never live up to it. I think sometimes these leagues that are a little too gung ho, end up to have a negative effect on SOME kids.
As for "dissing" elementary or any level coaches, no way. I think what these people give is a great sacrifice. I would never imply that. I would imply that sometimes, and you know this is true, you find elementary league coaches that care only about winning and not teaching the fundamentals of the sport. and again I stress sometimes.
I think the one exception would be wrestling. that is what is great about it.
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"Man that Jones kid was awesome in elementary, where is he now?"
Ok, if you say so.
Give me some examples of kids that were ruined because they won a little league trophy.
In order to win at anything it requires a group of players to successfully execute a play. I guess a coach that cares about winning could luck into having a group of superior athletes that could win without performing the fundamentals of the game. Anything is possible.
What I found when I coached is this. The more we practiced the better we became. If we went to PSU for baseball camp then the kids learned to develop their skills and I became a better trainer and yes we won more games.
I would like you to explain to me how you can consistently win without executing the fundamentals.
And I love wrestling to. I spent many a saturday about 12 years ago travelling with my son to tournaments. A lot of great memories. He doesnt wrestle today because he decided he liked to play basketball better.
Ok, if you say so.
Give me some examples of kids that were ruined because they won a little league trophy.
In order to win at anything it requires a group of players to successfully execute a play. I guess a coach that cares about winning could luck into having a group of superior athletes that could win without performing the fundamentals of the game. Anything is possible.
What I found when I coached is this. The more we practiced the better we became. If we went to PSU for baseball camp then the kids learned to develop their skills and I became a better trainer and yes we won more games.
I would like you to explain to me how you can consistently win without executing the fundamentals.
And I love wrestling to. I spent many a saturday about 12 years ago travelling with my son to tournaments. A lot of great memories. He doesnt wrestle today because he decided he liked to play basketball better.
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Evidently CRLionDawg the debate is finished. I completely agree with you. All of my boys played Little Lions football from Kindergarden on and I can only say that in my case, it only helped them considerably.
Their teams won many games, but they also lost games. But the bottom line is that they love football, learned quite a bit, and had alot of fun doing it and continue to do so.
Why is there no debate on Little League baseball? they also played this and received more trophies than in Little Lion football? I really do not see the difference. To be honest, in the case of my boys, we had more blood flying in baseball than in Little Lion tackle football.
Their teams won many games, but they also lost games. But the bottom line is that they love football, learned quite a bit, and had alot of fun doing it and continue to do so.
Why is there no debate on Little League baseball? they also played this and received more trophies than in Little Lion football? I really do not see the difference. To be honest, in the case of my boys, we had more blood flying in baseball than in Little Lion tackle football.
"Just remember, if the world didn't suck we'd all fall off"
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Re: Youth Football Debate
I personally don't like all the trophies for the kids. I can certainly understand it when a kid or team wins something, but not just for participating. When I started coaching baseball, I was told that every kid gets a trophy at the end of the year. So, we sell concessions, and buy trophies. Football is not that way. I don't think any of the kids get trophies in football. If they do, it's up to the coaches. I'm not sure what basketball does. In wrestling, it's up to the school that's having the tournament, but it's usually the top 3 place winners in each weight class.
Something I started to do in baseball was go really cheap on the trophies, and then buy something for each kid pertaining to the sport that they could then use later. I think that has more more value than a trophy collecting dust.
Something I started to do in baseball was go really cheap on the trophies, and then buy something for each kid pertaining to the sport that they could then use later. I think that has more more value than a trophy collecting dust.
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I agree with your approach Lion Pride. We have boxes full of trophies that never got unpacked. However there are a few that are out and do mean something.
Looking back the thing that means the most are the pictures. The plaques that list the team results and a team picture in the middle. That and the baseballs, we used to get a box of baseballs and have each kid sign them and each would get one. A nice memory.
Trophies have a place but are not the end all.
Looking back the thing that means the most are the pictures. The plaques that list the team results and a team picture in the middle. That and the baseballs, we used to get a box of baseballs and have each kid sign them and each would get one. A nice memory.
Trophies have a place but are not the end all.
Re: Youth Football Debate
Youth contact football:
Dads living out their youth through their kids, isn't that grand. As if the ruination of baseball wasn't enough. (800 leagues and 47 All-star teams later your kid still will never be in the majors.) American kids have too much. They wouldn’t need you pushing them into sports if they had to pedal a bike to get somewhere, play catch with their buddies, were allowed to play in the mud, throw rocks, fight with their best friends, and cut grass.
Now you has-beens that never were are going to push your kids, and those of your buddies, in to a sport that places children in the position to be injured, but more importantly, discouraged, because they don't have the same amount of testosterone running through their tiny little bodies as you and your beer guts do.
Lets scream at the little bastards and scare them into men. I have seen up-downs, bell ringers, and punishment via laps around the field. I have seen the 10-1 defense and the triple reverse. I have seen little kids being screamed at for throwing rocks and looking at birds and playing grab-azz on the field. KIDS!
I haven't seen much coaching. You know, keeping your face up, stances, ball isolation drills, tackling techniques, blocking techniques. Maybe that is why AYSO is so popular. Pee Wee football has a lot of idiot "coaches" living their dreams through someone else’s kid. If this upsets you screaming, donut eating, whistling blowing "coaches" then it applies to you!
I started playing in 7th grade and was a D2 All-Conference player all 4 years in college. (NFL tryouts in 90', Steelers and Giants, and 92', Steelers). If I had only played pee wee... NOT.
Both of my brothers started football in 7th grade and played in college as well. We were never subjected to has-beens that never were. Thank god!
BTW, If/when my kid is smashing your peewee kids face in high school; it will be because he wants to, not because some loser thought peewee football would make him a man!
For few of you who coach young kids and teach fundamentals, I apologize to you!
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Dads living out their youth through their kids, isn't that grand. As if the ruination of baseball wasn't enough. (800 leagues and 47 All-star teams later your kid still will never be in the majors.) American kids have too much. They wouldn’t need you pushing them into sports if they had to pedal a bike to get somewhere, play catch with their buddies, were allowed to play in the mud, throw rocks, fight with their best friends, and cut grass.
Now you has-beens that never were are going to push your kids, and those of your buddies, in to a sport that places children in the position to be injured, but more importantly, discouraged, because they don't have the same amount of testosterone running through their tiny little bodies as you and your beer guts do.
Lets scream at the little bastards and scare them into men. I have seen up-downs, bell ringers, and punishment via laps around the field. I have seen the 10-1 defense and the triple reverse. I have seen little kids being screamed at for throwing rocks and looking at birds and playing grab-azz on the field. KIDS!
I haven't seen much coaching. You know, keeping your face up, stances, ball isolation drills, tackling techniques, blocking techniques. Maybe that is why AYSO is so popular. Pee Wee football has a lot of idiot "coaches" living their dreams through someone else’s kid. If this upsets you screaming, donut eating, whistling blowing "coaches" then it applies to you!
I started playing in 7th grade and was a D2 All-Conference player all 4 years in college. (NFL tryouts in 90', Steelers and Giants, and 92', Steelers). If I had only played pee wee... NOT.
Both of my brothers started football in 7th grade and played in college as well. We were never subjected to has-beens that never were. Thank god!
BTW, If/when my kid is smashing your peewee kids face in high school; it will be because he wants to, not because some loser thought peewee football would make him a man!
For few of you who coach young kids and teach fundamentals, I apologize to you!
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Guru, Ok so it wasnt for you and it isnt for everybody.
I pose this question. Based on your stated history. How would a group of kids benefit from having you provide some fundamental skills training?
I would assume, since you didnt play in a youth league that someone worked with you.
Is there a better way to get the job done?
I still contend that your and others harsh statements regarding Dads who coach any sport is a bit overdramatized. Sure there are some ego driven out of control maniacs out there, that do more harm than good. They are the exception rather than the rule, unfortunately because of their visibility they tend to draw most of the attention.
Dont throw the baby out with the bath water.
I pose this question. Based on your stated history. How would a group of kids benefit from having you provide some fundamental skills training?
I would assume, since you didnt play in a youth league that someone worked with you.
Is there a better way to get the job done?
I still contend that your and others harsh statements regarding Dads who coach any sport is a bit overdramatized. Sure there are some ego driven out of control maniacs out there, that do more harm than good. They are the exception rather than the rule, unfortunately because of their visibility they tend to draw most of the attention.
Dont throw the baby out with the bath water.
Re: Youth Football Debate
Flag football is one avenue, if coached by an individual who will teach fundamentals. There are still nut jobs at that level, but at least there isn't any contact, other than the occasional bump...
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