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Loyalty

Posted: August 24th, 2016, 1:43 pm
by oldschoolrules
Just wanted to change the topic because Im tired of reading about about BM wrestling. I want to thank all the wrestlers who are loyal to there schools and coaches and teachers. The BM thing is exactly what the parents want and group of people want. They want us on here for all of us to talk about their kids and program. Lets not promote it by giving them what they want. I want to thank especially thank all the kids who stay at their public schools and support it and the programs. I also want to thank the public schools coaches and teachers because as i read these kids are not transferring because of wrestling but because of the situation the are in now is not good enough.     
Public Schools rule

Re: Loyalty

Posted: August 24th, 2016, 6:00 pm
by Manfred
Very good first post.

Re: Loyalty

Posted: August 24th, 2016, 7:54 pm
by El-Moldo
And old saying tells us to "Be true to your God, your Country, your family, and your school".

Re: Loyalty

Posted: August 25th, 2016, 3:41 am
by sparky
Let's go Chestnut Ridge. A program built from the ground up, elementary all through varsity.

Re: Loyalty

Posted: August 25th, 2016, 8:56 am
by boxer156
Several misconceptions and inaccuracies with this thread:
1.  You started a thread because you were tired of reading about the BM team--but you referenced them throughout your entire reply, and brought attention (the attention you said they shouldn't get) to them again.
2.  This thread basically calls out kids (all under the age of 18) as 'selling their schools out', without any knowledge of their individual situations or reasoning.  At the end of the day you are calling out teenage kids for their choice about where they want to go to school.  I might be misunderstanding the situation, but if the kid wants to go and the parents are willing to pay for their school---then I don't see the issue.  This still a free country. 
3.  You are WAY off base with the 'stay loyal to your school who built these kids' comment.  Outside of very few programs (Ridge being one of them), most of these kids were built in the various wrestling clubs---and NOT by their home school program.  The PARENTS are the ones that foot the bill for these clubs, national tournaments, gas to-and-from practice, entry fee's, workout partners, etc.  I don't see any school helping these kids/parents with any of those fees---in fact, most schools discourage club participation due to their own egos.  Until the school(s) foot all of the costs mentioned previously---don't even infer that these kids 'owe' them something.  These kids owe something to themselves for the hours of dedication in a sport that is grueling to say the least---and to attend the school and program of their choice, so long as it is done by PIAA guidelines. 
Laughable that adults are taking such exception to teenage kids that have chosen their own path in life.

Re: Loyalty

Posted: August 25th, 2016, 9:37 am
by SPORTSGURU814
Now BM is pulling kids in from as far as Bedford If CR built there program from the ground up why not send you kid to CR Your allowed to go to any school you want its a lot closer than the 45-1hr ride to Johnstown. Correct me if I am wrong but I thought all these so called transfers were for "Academic" purposes these sound like a lot of sports related reasons to me BM has taught their "transfers" well on what to say .

Re: Loyalty

Posted: August 25th, 2016, 10:22 am
by Head Roadie
So boxer156 according to you and reading between the lines of some of your comments, " You are WAY off base with the 'stay loyal to your school who built these kids' comment. Outside of very few programs (Ridge being one of them), most of these kids were built in the various wrestling clubs---and NOT by their home school program. The PARENTS are the ones that foot the bill for these clubs, national tournaments, gas to-and-from practice, entry fee's, workout partners, etc. I don't see any school helping these kids/parents with any of those fees---in fact, most schools discourage club participation due to their own egos. Until the school(s) foot all of the costs mentioned previously---don't even infer that these kids 'owe' them something. " Clubs are solely responsible for building these kids. Seems like it's time to go to the european model then....Why should schools spend taxpayer dollars for education based athletics when we have these wonderful clubs. And apparently, if the clubs are building these kids, the HS coaches aren't worth much I guess?

And you want to talk misconceptions and inaccuracies????? Wow!

Clubs are a very nice supplement to HS athletics when everyone's motives are in the right place and they don't interfere with the HS program. Clubs can be a detriment when they start telling the parent that's writing them a check that their son/daughter is better than is realistic and then blame the HS coach for not 'doing enough' to get them recruited. When kids don't go out for HS teams to participate in a club or choose a travel team over a HS team for a PIAA Softball playoff game (and folks it's happening) it becomes a problem and at what point are schools going to have enough and then we'll see how everyone likes the european/elite/pay only model.

Re: Loyalty

Posted: August 25th, 2016, 11:03 am
by boxer156
I didn't say 'high school coaches arent worth anything' at all.....although I could have worded that better. The OP referenced the schools building these kids from the start.....which is usually not the case. Most of the more competitive kids go to clubs in their formative years--- not the school programs. You usually can't build a state level wrestler in high school.....so I stand by my statement that most of these kids are built in clubs during their youth years (not the school programs that the OP thinks they should stay loyal to).

As for Sportsguru post, he is saying that would be OK to transfer to Ridge.......but not OK to transfer to BM?!? That in itself is contradictory at the least, and laughable.

Again a lot of adults concerning themselves with the lives of teenagers.

Re: Loyalty

Posted: August 25th, 2016, 11:36 am
by CrimsonLion
Loyalty? So coaches and teachers are loyal? Really, so we don't see coaches leave schools all the time for better opportunities or more money? Most teachers are loyal to money more than the students, let's not fool ourselves.

So if you have a gifted student who doesn't get everything he/she needs at their public school. They have an opportunity to earn almost a semester and half of college credits. More foreign languages, more curriculum and a broader range of academic opportunities. A catholic/Christian based education for people who  have faith and want a faith based education, especially in todays public schools where that is frowned upon.

As far as athletics, with numbers dwindling at public schools why is it bad for a student to choose a private school and for the chance to practice in a room with other like minded individuals who take it far more seriously. Perhaps, that athlete has no one in his high school mat room to push him. Regardless, of why the athlete chooses the private school route its really no ones business except the athlete and their families.

Is the school, teacher or coach going to help pay for tuition in college? The answer is no and if you're a parent and you can help pave the way and give your child more opportunities then you do it..Period.  They don't have to answer to anyone except themselves, their families and God.

Re: Loyalty

Posted: August 25th, 2016, 12:30 pm
by DCor50
@CrimsonLion....show me the numbers and the facts that these private schools are putting more kids into college and getting more kids athletic scholarships than the public schools....it has to be on percentages alone...I highly doubt that these numbers will add up to what you perceive them to be...just tell the truth here....They want to have a Mat Club team at McCort so they can wrestle all the public schools and be successful...enough said...