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[quote="TheAnalyst";p="102852"]I know they are not selling beer there, but that is the whole reason for them declaring it a restaurant. [/quote]
Trust me, that it is not the only reason for declaring it a restaurant. You make it sound like selling beer there was it's only purpose. That couldn't be further from the facts. That may have been the way the Altoona Mirror portrayed it, but that's only because it made for a good story. For convienence stores, long term success is not at the gas pumps, it's in the food. That's why you see more and more convienence stores selling a wide variety of food inside.
So, if your long term success depends on food, doesn't it make sense to have a restaurant to try new food categories for the rest of the company? Just visit the new stores recently built at 58th and 6th Ave or the Meadows. You'll see what I'm talking about. They're not restaurants but they have some of the same food items sold in the restaurant not sold in the traditional stores.
It's sad that you've had bad experiences there. I personally have not after the first month or two. I know early on they had issues, but keep in mind that everything was new to those employees. It really has gotten much better since it was first opened.
Trust me, that it is not the only reason for declaring it a restaurant. You make it sound like selling beer there was it's only purpose. That couldn't be further from the facts. That may have been the way the Altoona Mirror portrayed it, but that's only because it made for a good story. For convienence stores, long term success is not at the gas pumps, it's in the food. That's why you see more and more convienence stores selling a wide variety of food inside.
So, if your long term success depends on food, doesn't it make sense to have a restaurant to try new food categories for the rest of the company? Just visit the new stores recently built at 58th and 6th Ave or the Meadows. You'll see what I'm talking about. They're not restaurants but they have some of the same food items sold in the restaurant not sold in the traditional stores.
It's sad that you've had bad experiences there. I personally have not after the first month or two. I know early on they had issues, but keep in mind that everything was new to those employees. It really has gotten much better since it was first opened.
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Nope. Just there recently and service still stinks. And it wasn't just my food. Most of the customers were getting impatient. Gas is a Sheetz staple. Take away the pumps and they lose business. They built their business on cheap gas to get people in the door to buy other products (food - which is where they make the money). Gas itself doesn't bring much return. The food is good. I won't argue that. The reason I go back there sometimes is cause I really want the fries.
It is not, however, a restaurant. Just because they put a few booths back in the corner and tvs in it and say it's a restaurant doesn't make it one. If Sheetz wants in the restaurant business, then they should open a real one and see how it goes. They didn't need to declare it a restaurant to try new food (actually maybe the law requires them to for certain types of food, so that may be a false statement). Anyone remember Sheetza Pizza or the Taco Bell in the Bedford store?
I'd say it had something to do with selling beer, but I never understood why they wanted to sell it in the first place. Want some beer with your gas for your road trip? Feel like I'm living in Alabama.
It is not, however, a restaurant. Just because they put a few booths back in the corner and tvs in it and say it's a restaurant doesn't make it one. If Sheetz wants in the restaurant business, then they should open a real one and see how it goes. They didn't need to declare it a restaurant to try new food (actually maybe the law requires them to for certain types of food, so that may be a false statement). Anyone remember Sheetza Pizza or the Taco Bell in the Bedford store?
I'd say it had something to do with selling beer, but I never understood why they wanted to sell it in the first place. Want some beer with your gas for your road trip? Feel like I'm living in Alabama.
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I was told by an Altoona resident that lives close to the new 58th st. store and he said neither it, nor the 17th st. is selling beer (at this time). Not that it won't happen in the future!
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I personally work at a gas station in Breezewood and you would be surprised how many people come in look around then ask where they can buy beer.
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Re: Sheetz
[quote="TheAnalyst";p="102994"]Gas is a Sheetz staple. Take away the pumps and they lose business. They built their business on cheap gas to get people in the door to buy other products (food - which is where they make the money). Gas itself doesn't bring much return. The food is good. I won't argue that. The reason I go back there sometimes is cause I really want the fries.[/quote]
Never said there shouldn't be gas. You're correct in that having low price gas is a driver to get customers on the lot and that gas doesn't bring much return for retailers.
I guess I just don't understand your hangup on calling it a restaurant. Actually, they call it a convenience restaurant. You want it to have all the same things other stores have, and it does. One section is for convenience store items, the other section is for food, gourmet coffees and gelato. It has everything original Sheetz stores have and then some.
Let me ask you a question. Does a business grow by staying complacent? What's wrong with trying something new in an effort to try to grow your business?
[quote="TheAnalyst";p="102994"]It is not, however, a restaurant. Just because they put a few booths back in the corner and tvs in it and say it's a restaurant doesn't make it one. If Sheetz wants in the restaurant business, then they should open a real one and see how it goes. They didn't need to declare it a restaurant to try new food (actually maybe the law requires them to for certain types of food, so that may be a false statement). Anyone remember Sheetza Pizza or the Taco Bell in the Bedford store?[/quote]
I don't believe there's any law that says you have to declare yourself a restaurant to sell certain foods.
Have you ever seen they layout of store behind the counter? Maybe they did need to open a store like that to try new foods. The original stores weren't designed to have room for fryers, pizza ovens, drive throughs, etc.
Speaking of pizza, you commented a few posts back about the prices. Just thought I'd share with you that my family went to Pizza Hut tonight. My 2 older kids had free coupons for getting good grades, my other child is under a year so it didn't cost anything for her. Wife and I got the buffet and the kids wanted an order of wings. Our bill was $31. That was for 4 drinks, 2 buffet's and an order of wings. Now that's expensive for what we got. True, their pizza is good, but I could've bought 5 meals and drinks at Sheetz for that money. I thought of your post as I shelled out that cash.
[quote="TheAnalyst";p="102994"]I'd say it had something to do with selling beer, but I never understood why they wanted to sell it in the first place. Want some beer with your gas for your road trip? Feel like I'm living in Alabama.[/quote]
Obviously, a liquor license was applied for prior to that store opening. The press that got was amazing. I don't think that the alcohol to be sold there was a 12 pack to go. I'm pretty sure it was for the restaurant side only.
Personally, I like a beer with my dinner. Drink one with dinner just about every night. I even sometimes choose restaurants because they serve beer. That doesn't mean I sit in a restaurant and down a 6 pack.
You're entitled to your opinions and I doubt I'll change that, but I can tell you that that store wasn't built for the sole purpose of selling beer, regardless of what the press said. It opened without beer and is still operating without beer.
Go to just about any neighboring state and convenience stores sell beer (and gas too). I know for a fact that you can get beer at a convenience store in Ohio, Maryland, West Virginia, Virginia, Florida and probably most other states.
Never said there shouldn't be gas. You're correct in that having low price gas is a driver to get customers on the lot and that gas doesn't bring much return for retailers.
I guess I just don't understand your hangup on calling it a restaurant. Actually, they call it a convenience restaurant. You want it to have all the same things other stores have, and it does. One section is for convenience store items, the other section is for food, gourmet coffees and gelato. It has everything original Sheetz stores have and then some.
Let me ask you a question. Does a business grow by staying complacent? What's wrong with trying something new in an effort to try to grow your business?
[quote="TheAnalyst";p="102994"]It is not, however, a restaurant. Just because they put a few booths back in the corner and tvs in it and say it's a restaurant doesn't make it one. If Sheetz wants in the restaurant business, then they should open a real one and see how it goes. They didn't need to declare it a restaurant to try new food (actually maybe the law requires them to for certain types of food, so that may be a false statement). Anyone remember Sheetza Pizza or the Taco Bell in the Bedford store?[/quote]
I don't believe there's any law that says you have to declare yourself a restaurant to sell certain foods.
Have you ever seen they layout of store behind the counter? Maybe they did need to open a store like that to try new foods. The original stores weren't designed to have room for fryers, pizza ovens, drive throughs, etc.
Speaking of pizza, you commented a few posts back about the prices. Just thought I'd share with you that my family went to Pizza Hut tonight. My 2 older kids had free coupons for getting good grades, my other child is under a year so it didn't cost anything for her. Wife and I got the buffet and the kids wanted an order of wings. Our bill was $31. That was for 4 drinks, 2 buffet's and an order of wings. Now that's expensive for what we got. True, their pizza is good, but I could've bought 5 meals and drinks at Sheetz for that money. I thought of your post as I shelled out that cash.
[quote="TheAnalyst";p="102994"]I'd say it had something to do with selling beer, but I never understood why they wanted to sell it in the first place. Want some beer with your gas for your road trip? Feel like I'm living in Alabama.[/quote]
Obviously, a liquor license was applied for prior to that store opening. The press that got was amazing. I don't think that the alcohol to be sold there was a 12 pack to go. I'm pretty sure it was for the restaurant side only.
Personally, I like a beer with my dinner. Drink one with dinner just about every night. I even sometimes choose restaurants because they serve beer. That doesn't mean I sit in a restaurant and down a 6 pack.
You're entitled to your opinions and I doubt I'll change that, but I can tell you that that store wasn't built for the sole purpose of selling beer, regardless of what the press said. It opened without beer and is still operating without beer.
Go to just about any neighboring state and convenience stores sell beer (and gas too). I know for a fact that you can get beer at a convenience store in Ohio, Maryland, West Virginia, Virginia, Florida and probably most other states.
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Re: Sheetz
If you go back to my original complaint, it is because they do not sell all the other items a regular Sheetz does as you state. When I ask the employees why, they say 'because we're a restaurant'. Oil and lottery were my two complaints. And I don't think they let you pay for gas inside any longer. I know I have, but other people have told me you can't.
You compare your bill to Pizza Hut. How about comparing it to Best Way. I can get 3 cuts and a drink for $3 for lunch. Sheetz has more choices, but the quality is about the same. Pizza Hut is better than both in my opinion. But PH is about the most expensive place in the world to buy pizza.
I know the law requires that if you have seating you must have restrooms. I was just trying to find other reasons for calling it a restaurant besides beer as you stated this had very little to do with it. I guess since everyone else sells beer in their convenience stores, PA might as well. And CA has legalized marijuana. Guess we should too. Therein lies part of my problem. Sheetz knew it couldn't sell beer as a convenience store. The only way they could was a restaurant. So it appears to me and others it was a way to circumvent the law. Appearance is everything and Sheetz has done little to combat that perception. And maybe you don't sit down and drink a six pack, but there are many people who do. Why would Sheetz, who I have always thought of as a family friendly company, and is run by a great family, want to sell beer there? It just seemed like an odd decision to me. That place is filled with kids and teenagers. Again, appearance seems to be more about profit than what might be good for the community.
I don't have a problem with a business growing. It appears to me that Sheetz is trying to be everything to everyone. Why not have Hoss's put some gas pumps in front of their stores and call them convenience stores? Instead of Sheetz being great at a few things (cheap gas and good, fast food), they appear to be willing to be ok at everything. Just my observation. I know Sheetz has considered many things over the years to grow their business and has done a great job at it. They are probably the model in the country for how convenience stores should be.
Doesn't this site get to you when you're thinking of someone you don't even know while paying your bill?!?!? That's too funny. But I've laid awake at night over other subjects on here!
You compare your bill to Pizza Hut. How about comparing it to Best Way. I can get 3 cuts and a drink for $3 for lunch. Sheetz has more choices, but the quality is about the same. Pizza Hut is better than both in my opinion. But PH is about the most expensive place in the world to buy pizza.
I know the law requires that if you have seating you must have restrooms. I was just trying to find other reasons for calling it a restaurant besides beer as you stated this had very little to do with it. I guess since everyone else sells beer in their convenience stores, PA might as well. And CA has legalized marijuana. Guess we should too. Therein lies part of my problem. Sheetz knew it couldn't sell beer as a convenience store. The only way they could was a restaurant. So it appears to me and others it was a way to circumvent the law. Appearance is everything and Sheetz has done little to combat that perception. And maybe you don't sit down and drink a six pack, but there are many people who do. Why would Sheetz, who I have always thought of as a family friendly company, and is run by a great family, want to sell beer there? It just seemed like an odd decision to me. That place is filled with kids and teenagers. Again, appearance seems to be more about profit than what might be good for the community.
I don't have a problem with a business growing. It appears to me that Sheetz is trying to be everything to everyone. Why not have Hoss's put some gas pumps in front of their stores and call them convenience stores? Instead of Sheetz being great at a few things (cheap gas and good, fast food), they appear to be willing to be ok at everything. Just my observation. I know Sheetz has considered many things over the years to grow their business and has done a great job at it. They are probably the model in the country for how convenience stores should be.
Doesn't this site get to you when you're thinking of someone you don't even know while paying your bill?!?!? That's too funny. But I've laid awake at night over other subjects on here!
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this argument about sheetz not being a restraunt becuase it sells gas is kinda illogical, go to the turnpike interchange at bedford and just across the street from sheetz is a place to get gas (RG's) now there is also a McDonalds there, so the same building that sells gas also serves meals, are you going to tell me that that McD's isnt a restraunt?
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McDonalds is a restaurant. RG's is not. People know what a McDonalds is and what RG's is. They are two separate entities/businesses. I would almost bet there are two separate sets of books for that, but I could be very wrong about that too.
But answer my question. If Hoss's puts in a set of pumps and a few shelves of food, are they a convenience store?
This is all too confusing. Is Sheetz a restaurant or a convenience store? Are they a new breed of conaurant? My head hurts. Apparently calling themselves a restaurant prohibits them from selling certain items in the store. That is really my only complaint. They will figure out the service side I have no doubt.
I understand what Sheetz is trying to do, I guess their execution is just a little lacking. But it's a learning experience for them, and they always seem to figure things out and come out on top.
But answer my question. If Hoss's puts in a set of pumps and a few shelves of food, are they a convenience store?
This is all too confusing. Is Sheetz a restaurant or a convenience store? Are they a new breed of conaurant? My head hurts. Apparently calling themselves a restaurant prohibits them from selling certain items in the store. That is really my only complaint. They will figure out the service side I have no doubt.
I understand what Sheetz is trying to do, I guess their execution is just a little lacking. But it's a learning experience for them, and they always seem to figure things out and come out on top.