Criminals Gather Round

[The Ancient Enemy]

I'll be the one to talk about Colorado State.

There is not 1 team in the entire Big East Conference that could beat Colorado State. There are a quite a lot of people who seem to think the Mountain West should be the conference to get the bid that is about to be stripped off of the Big East. Don't talk s*** until you see the teams play. The Mountain West is one of the best conferences this year, and is full of many, many teams that for some reason are better than they usually are.

Let's take this into perspective too. How bad does it look when the team who is supposed to represent your conference gets blown out by a team that a middle of the pack Big Ten team handled? That team was also destroyed today by a team that just left the Big East for greener pastures. How bad does it look when the conference is fortunate enough to have a second team ranked in the top 25, and that team loses to one of the worst I-A programs in the nation on national television? Then that same Big East team loses, on national television again, to a team who blew a 20 point lead and lost to the worst Big Ten program, who is coached by the laughing stock of college football? That same Big East team, who is supposed to fight for a coveted BCS spot, after 5 games has 1 win, over a I-AA school. How bad does it look when the only remaining respectable team gets their **** handed to them by a team who just left your conference because the competition was better elsewhere? How bad does it look when the OTHER "decent" Big East team just got their **** kicked by an ACC team that got blown out by former Big East team Virginia Tech, on national television, 51-7?

I just want to keep everything in perspective.

Here's some things I can't even spin:

1. Rutgers lost to Illinois.
2. Rutgers and Ohio beat Pitt. Rutgers wins prior to Friday included I-AA Villanova and Buffalo University, who is ranked 119 out of 119.
3. Louisville put 66 on Oregon State, then turned around and got blown out by USF, showing immense immaturity in their program.
4. UCONN was bludgeoned by a team who was blugeoned 51-7 on national television.
5. The media desperately tried to convince the nation WVU had a fighting chance today, and WVU did exactly what everyone knew they would. Is this or this not the same crap we hear about USC and Oregon every year? MARKETING = INTEREST = MONEY.
6. Syracuse is still looking for their first yard of offense.
7. Pitt is so bad right now that they couldn't even let Greg Schiano show everyone how much of a f***-up he really is as a head coach.
8. Cincinnati got blown out, in a rivalry game on national television, by a team that lost to Central Michigan. Central Michigan was blown out by a middle of the pack Big Ten team.
9. When this season is over, and 6-5 Cincinnati goes up against Texas in a BCS game, I wonder if that automatic bid will be taken away when the score is 300-0? Which coincidentally was the score of last year's Pitt-Utah Fiesta Bowl massacre.

Here's the sad truth: Miami, Boston College, and Virginia Tech are all very exceptional football teams. Every time they win, you look worse, and the the ACC looks stronger.

Special Note: When the ACC "raided" the Big East (which was so traumatizing that all the prom-queen administrators in the remaining BE schools filed a lawsuit) Pitt was nowhere to be found on any ACC wish-lists. For a school that was supposedly on the verge of great things, Pitt was over-looked for not only 3 other schools, but the 4th was the Syracuse Orangemen. But, it was all for basketball, right? Why is it that Pitt's basketball team is also supposedly on the verge of great things, but they were mysteriously neglected as well? The answer, ladies and gentlemen, is because Pitt athletics are total garbage. They have a garbage basketball program whose hype rivals that of Michigan or Washington State's football hype. It's all nonsense. Pitt has a football program that is garbage to everyone who doesn't live in Pittsburgh. You want evidence? How about the fact that Pitt consistently, with and now without Harris, continues to get opportunities handed to them to show their worth (which is also the Big East's worth, because Pitt is so hyped) and they CONSISTENTLY sh*t the bed on national television? Pitt has ZERO clout. That is why no one gives a sh*t. YOU HAVE TO WIN GAMES. AND BELIEVE IT OR NOT THAT INCLUDES OHIO AND RUTGERS.

That is all, little peeps.

[ham55]

Just so all you Pitt/Big lEast fans know, TAE officially owns you...

Minnesota was ranked 18th in the AP poll this week, Moldo. Do you really think they can get that messed up with what they have going on? I mean I'm sure some teams aren't where they're supposed to be, but you make them sound like a top 60 team, not top 20. They had a huge line, a great runner, and a pretty dang good QB with big pass catching TE's to throw the ball too. PSU shut them down, the secondary was able to control the game on the outside as PSU could commit 7 guys or more to stopping the run.

How about the PSU O-Line this week? Two rushers for over 100 yards and over 325 total yards rushing. PSU racked up 550+ yards of offense today. I can only wait until they beat the buckeye's next week to hear Moldo's excuse on how Ohio State didn't play anybody prior to PSU and that's why PSU was able to beat them.

WE ARE...

[flybynight]

....Penn State!!

[El-Moldo]

TAE OWNS ME????? Right. Here's a guy who starts a topic about Minnesota and Maroney and can't even stick to it. When I present a logical, civil contradiction to PSU holding Maroney to 48 yards, he comes on here ranting and raving about Pitt and the Big East. Where's the association???? Where's the connection???? His only challenge to what I actually said was that Colorado State is good. WOW, like their only claim to fame this year is that they ONLY lost to Colorado by 3. NO BCS for them!!! It's also amazing that even though Maroney was held in check with 48 yards, some kid named Russell ran for 53 yards on only 8 carries against the Nits. What's that, almost 7 yards per carry? Of course we're gonna hear that it was probably against the second team defense. You guys are going to have to learn how to debate an issue, NOT go off track onto any subject you want.

[flybynight]

Now your being a hypocrite

[Head Roadie]

TAE: You are correct about theBig East Conf. Mike Tranghese (BE Commish) is a jacka$$ and should have seen it coming. Is it Pitt's fault? Absolutely not. If Syracuse, Pitt, and WVU don't get back to at least a Top 40 level to join Louisville, and if S.Fla and U. Conn. can't step it up in the next 2-3 years, they should just fold and go Independent in football until the next set of conference dominoes starts to fall.

However, running Pitt down because they weren't invited to the ACC???? Putting them down because they weren't on the ACC's list....well TAE, with your vast knowledge of the Big 10...errr 11, I would have though you knew that Pitt is Actually on the Big 10's list, right after Notre Dame and right before Missouri. If/when ND is ever forced into a conference it will be the Big 10. If not, look for Pitt or Missouri with the possibility of Syracuse and a Big 14 happening in the next 6-8 years.

As for WVU, they are #1 on the SEC list while they watch and wait to see what becomes of Vanderbilt.

It is not Pitt, WVU, or Syracuse fault that their Conference Commissioner is an idiot. They are stuck with it, unfortunately for everybody.

[The Ancient Enemy]

Who brought up Colorado State? You did. They played a very tough Air Force team on national television Thursday night. If you would have actually watched the game, maybe you'd have a clue, instead of coming on here and blasting a team you clearly have not seen in a game. THAT is what is ridiculous.

Here's what Moldo did. He came on here and started adding his "perspective" on the PSU win. Never mind the fact that PSU has been down the past few years, both teams were 4-0 going into the game, Minnesota was ranked, and Minnesota is the team responsible for sending PSU into their tailspin in 99. NEVERMIND all of that. Nevermind how big of a win that really was. What's REALLY important, is that Russell sucks and now so does Laurence Maroney, who, I might add, is the best running back in the country, and easily the best NFL RB prospect out of 119 Dision I-A teams. But even THAT idiotic "perspective" is flawed:

Minnesota: 41
Tulsa: 10

Maroney: 21 carries, 203. 9.7 average, 2 touchdowns.
Russell: 6 carries, 67 yards. 11.2 average, 2 touchdowns.

Yep, those guys are dogsh*t. ESPECIALLY Russell, who cannot possibly be any good.

What is Tulsa's credibility?

- Played OU tough for 3 quarters.
- Held the back-to-back national rushing champs to a combined 113 yards of rushing offense in a 54-2 win.

Minnesota: 56
Colorado State: 24

Maroney: 26 carries, 133 yards. 5.1 average, 2 touchdowns.
Russell: 7 carries, 66 yards. 9.4 average, 2 touchdowns.

Yep, Russell sucks.

Minnesota: 46
FAU: 7

Maroney: 20 carries, 145 yards. 7.3 average, 2 touchdowns.
Russell: 11 carries, 116 yards. 10.5 average, 2 TD's.

6 TD's in 3 games is definitely horrible.

Minnesota: 42
Purdue: 35

Maroney: 46 carries, 217 yards. 4.7 average.
Russell: 16 carries, 75 yards. 4.7 average, 2 TD's.

Did I say 6 in 3? I meant 8 in 4.

Oh, wait a second... according to Moldo Brian Cupito totally sucks. Clearly Maroney gets all the carries because the Minnesota passing game is terrible, right?

Vs. Tulsa: 14/25 for 235 and 1 TD.
Vs. Colorado State: 9/21 for 159 and 2 TD's.
Vs. FAU: 10/17 for 230 and 2 TD's.
Vs. Purdue: 22/35 for 271 and 3 TD's.

Not too shabby!

Any other brilliant perspectives?

Here's another one for Ol' Moldy: If it's okay to say things like "a decade ago PSU winning 6 games would be a disgrace", what can we say about teams losing to Rutgers and Ohio? Like I told you know-it-alls in the politics forum a couple times: You clean up your own yard before you point your finger at your neighbor's. We always knew the problems at Penn State. I see very little criticism by the fans of that "team" you all support.

And Head Roadie, Vanderbilt isn't going anywhere. The SEC needs Vanderbilt's academics. Why do you think the ACC keeps all those teams around?

[The Ancient Enemy]

Going back to the Vanderbilt thing for a minute. Let's talk about Temple and Rutgers.

Temple has never really had a decent football team, but they have been I-A and in the Big East, which had a Pitt team that was tough and also the Miami Hurricanes, which means they had a national identity. Syracuse was tough, and WVU played Notre Dame for the national championship. Temple was always a cellar-dweller in that league. But, Temple's academics were very good. Believe it or not, football isn't everything. A few people in the NCAA still want academics to come first, and that's probably the way it should be, but I go back and forth with this, personally. Anyways, Temple had good academics to give the conference academic credibility. Pitt also is known for it's medicine. But as soon as Temple academics started to fall, and they did, dramatically, the football program was still as bad as ever. Therefore, the conference finally and officially had no use for Temple, and gave them the boot.

Rutgers has not had a winning season since before The Johnstown Flood in 1889. If you go to the flood museum outside Sidman, you can see that on one of the photos a man is riding down the flood on a tree and he is wearing a Rutgers shirt that says "7-5 and Bowl Bound". That's the last time Rutgers was any good. They have also been a long-standing team in the Big East. They also have incredibly good academics. Rutgers academics continue to be as solid as ever. Notice how even though Schiano has lifted them from 0-11 status to 4-7 status and are still a bad program, there are zero rumors of Rutgers getting the axe from the Big East. There have been rumors of Temple's exit for a decade. Never once did I hear anything about Rutgers.

It's because of academics. Every conference has teams who hold up their weight in the classroom.

[fleaflicker]

I think the whole Big East would be best off to disband and become independents (once they lose their BCS bid, almost sure to happen soon), then make their own schedules. Thus, they could play a killer schedule, go 9-2 (if they are really good) and get into the BCS, or they could play cupcakes, go 11-0, and go to the Liberty Bowl (like Boise State).

As far as the BCS bid goes, I wouldn't mind having a one game 'playoff' at the end of the season between the winner of the Mountain West and the winner of the Big East, just to make sure the more deserving team gets in.

[abpk2903]

Teams are a little cautious to join the Big Ten (look what it did to PSU).