District 5 faithful
Re: District 5 faithful
shut it
D6 will have the same situation soon...problem is, those teams won't beat teams like Carroll beause the difference there will be HUGE. The top of D6 IS good. Those others that would have been sniffing the 15 and 16 spots.....they would get rocked by the top D6 teams...
D6 will have the same situation soon...problem is, those teams won't beat teams like Carroll beause the difference there will be HUGE. The top of D6 IS good. Those others that would have been sniffing the 15 and 16 spots.....they would get rocked by the top D6 teams...
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Re: District 5 faithful
Yes I agree there is not 6 good teams in D5 A ball. It should be rewarding to make the playoffs and with a losing record to boot. Oh well that is why football is the best game out there, total team effort. Dragon is just hating because his team doesn't know where to go so they can win games. I have a hint maybe they could win if they play West Virginia teams!ha, ha, ha.
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why do people automatically assume all those d6 guys that are bashing the d5 playoff system, will support the new d6 system next year? i know i for one will be one here next year just as pissed off as i am now if there is a team below .500 in d6 next year, i dont play favorites, the only reason d5 is being criticized and not d6 is because D5 HAS ACTUALLY ALREADY DONE THIS, IT IS JUST SPECULATION FOR D6 RIGHT NOW.
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Re: District 5 faithful
Don't play favorites gunner? Haven't heard you complain about Dist. 7 (several classifications) or District 6 (AAA) yet. Get on them for awhile and get off D5 would ya. They have teams in their playoffs this year with losing records.
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Re: District 5 faithful
Coach,
I would do the same thing if it happened in D6A. But most of the teams that make playoffs in D6A have proved themselves. What about Portage last year? Each year Portage has a 1-2 loss season and still get the low or no seed in playoffs. How is that fair to those kids? Make D6 WestPAC teams play in the D5 Playoffs because that is what the majority of their schedule is. Somerset plays in the D6 playoffs.
As for BC, they play a LHAC (AA dominate) schedule so I have nothing but respect for them. Also, there are other teams (Bellwood, Blairsville, etc.) that play AA teams during the year. They belong in there as well since they have PROVED themselves.
That is the whole item around my dislike of the D5 playoffs, and I'm sure most others would agree. It's like giving a multi-million dollar aircraft to a bad pilot just because we need someone to fill the spot. You should earn you way into the pilot's seat.
As for Johnstown, we could say the same thing. They had a below 500 record to lower classification schools and still made playoffs. I don't need to repeat...
HENCE
I'm just trying to open up some conversation ideas, prove some points, and express some opinions. You can come on here and tell me to shut it, but I won't UNLESS you provide a VALID argument to eliminate it. That's all I want.
I would do the same thing if it happened in D6A. But most of the teams that make playoffs in D6A have proved themselves. What about Portage last year? Each year Portage has a 1-2 loss season and still get the low or no seed in playoffs. How is that fair to those kids? Make D6 WestPAC teams play in the D5 Playoffs because that is what the majority of their schedule is. Somerset plays in the D6 playoffs.
As for BC, they play a LHAC (AA dominate) schedule so I have nothing but respect for them. Also, there are other teams (Bellwood, Blairsville, etc.) that play AA teams during the year. They belong in there as well since they have PROVED themselves.
That is the whole item around my dislike of the D5 playoffs, and I'm sure most others would agree. It's like giving a multi-million dollar aircraft to a bad pilot just because we need someone to fill the spot. You should earn you way into the pilot's seat.
As for Johnstown, we could say the same thing. They had a below 500 record to lower classification schools and still made playoffs. I don't need to repeat...
HENCE
I'm just trying to open up some conversation ideas, prove some points, and express some opinions. You can come on here and tell me to shut it, but I won't UNLESS you provide a VALID argument to eliminate it. That's all I want.
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Re: District 5 faithful
Flak:
Very well put and I respect your opinion....I don't agree wholeheartedly with it obviosly but I see your point. They are valid. There is a practicality factor as well (extra week if only 4 teams) and in some years those six teams will be worthy. Somewhere there is a balance between the two I suppose.
Very well put and I respect your opinion....I don't agree wholeheartedly with it obviosly but I see your point. They are valid. There is a practicality factor as well (extra week if only 4 teams) and in some years those six teams will be worthy. Somewhere there is a balance between the two I suppose.
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Re: District 5 faithful
[quote="flakjacket";p="109999"]I'm just trying to open up some conversation ideas, prove some points, and express some opinions. You can come on here and tell me to shut it, but I won't UNLESS you provide a VALID argument to eliminate it. That's all I want.[/quote]
This isn't about proving anything....nobody is right or wrong, we're all just stating opinions. It just so happened that a 3-6 team got in this year because it fit the setup.
Should the NCAA basketball committee only have a field of 62 teams if 3 teams get in with losing records? There are always teams that win their conference tournament despite having a losing record in the regular season.
There have been instances of NBA and NHL teams making the playoffs with losing records. There are 8-8 teams making the NFL playoffs. The Padres made the playoffs and were sub .500 until the final week of the season. They could have very well made the playoffs with a losing record. Should all of these leagues change their playoff structure because there are years when teams have losing records?
This isn't about proving anything....nobody is right or wrong, we're all just stating opinions. It just so happened that a 3-6 team got in this year because it fit the setup.
Should the NCAA basketball committee only have a field of 62 teams if 3 teams get in with losing records? There are always teams that win their conference tournament despite having a losing record in the regular season.
There have been instances of NBA and NHL teams making the playoffs with losing records. There are 8-8 teams making the NFL playoffs. The Padres made the playoffs and were sub .500 until the final week of the season. They could have very well made the playoffs with a losing record. Should all of these leagues change their playoff structure because there are years when teams have losing records?
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flakjacket
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Re: District 5 faithful
You still didn't prove me wrong.
You are beyond comparing apples to oranges. You are comparing apples to Ferraris. Those are PROFESSIONALS that play A LOT more games than these High Schools.
I just threw something out there that bugs me about how the system was established in hopes that someone out there could justify it. But not one person has came up with a VALID argument.
A VALID argument is that you present an opinion that has support(actual factual data).
I didn't say that every year is this way, but I did say that MOST(80% or so) of the time it is. So I'm taking the history of the teams and what their outlook is. So I'm not looking for those "one hit wonders" (like NS beating Windber last year, which I predicted) that everyone likes to throw out at me. I said MOST, not ALL.
So my opinion still stands...
You are beyond comparing apples to oranges. You are comparing apples to Ferraris. Those are PROFESSIONALS that play A LOT more games than these High Schools.
I just threw something out there that bugs me about how the system was established in hopes that someone out there could justify it. But not one person has came up with a VALID argument.
A VALID argument is that you present an opinion that has support(actual factual data).
I didn't say that every year is this way, but I did say that MOST(80% or so) of the time it is. So I'm taking the history of the teams and what their outlook is. So I'm not looking for those "one hit wonders" (like NS beating Windber last year, which I predicted) that everyone likes to throw out at me. I said MOST, not ALL.
So my opinion still stands...
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Re: District 5 faithful
How can I prove your opinion wrong? What facts have you presented? That a losing team does not belong in the playoffs? That's not a fact, that's an opinion.
So it's ok for professional and collegiate teams to allow losing teams into the playoffs, but not high school? Is that your opinion?
Should a 19-5 high school basketball team be left out of the playoffs? That seems playoff worthy, doesn't it? It happened to the Windber girls back in the late 90's. So what did D5 do? They didn't change the system that year, but they adjusted the playoffs in following years. When something doesn't work, they fix it. This is a new system that allowed a 3-6 team in the playoffs this year. I would guess if this becomes common place, and not just a one year thing, they will adjust it again in the future.
So it's ok for professional and collegiate teams to allow losing teams into the playoffs, but not high school? Is that your opinion?
Should a 19-5 high school basketball team be left out of the playoffs? That seems playoff worthy, doesn't it? It happened to the Windber girls back in the late 90's. So what did D5 do? They didn't change the system that year, but they adjusted the playoffs in following years. When something doesn't work, they fix it. This is a new system that allowed a 3-6 team in the playoffs this year. I would guess if this becomes common place, and not just a one year thing, they will adjust it again in the future.
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Re: District 5 faithful
[quote="once a runner";p="110025"]How can I prove your opinion wrong? What facts have you presented? That a losing team does not belong in the playoffs? That's not a fact, that's an opinion.
So it's ok for professional and collegiate teams to allow losing teams into the playoffs, but not high school? Is that your opinion?
Should a 19-5 high school basketball team be left out of the playoffs? That seems playoff worthy, doesn't it? It happened to the Windber girls back in the late 90's. So what did D5 do? They didn't change the system that year, but they adjusted the playoffs in following years. When something doesn't work, they fix it. This is a new system that allowed a 3-6 team in the playoffs this year. I would guess if this becomes common place, and not just a one year thing, they will adjust it again in the future.[/quote]
Facts:
1) The records in D5A range from 8-1 to 3-6.
2) The records in D6A range from 9-0 to 7-2.
3) Windber wins the WestPAC, and D5 MOST every year.
4) Portage goes 8-1 to 6-3 nearly each year... yet they don't make the playoffs that often.
5) A lot of schools have a clause stating that a below .500 team should recommend not entering the playoffs. (integrity sort of thing)
Professional and Collegiate Teams...
... play a lot more games and a wide variety of skilled teams.
... are very similar in the skills of their players.
... have the ability to turn around a program because that is their job. They can start out at 3-6 then end up 15-6 on a turn-around-season.
Final Thought
A winning record does not gurantee you a playoff spot if the rest of the spots are filled with teams that have better records. You weren't good enough to make them. I am saying that a team with a losing record (I consider 4-5 to be the absolute cutoff here) should not be in the playoffs because they shouldn't be lowering standards. I want the 9-0, not the 3-6, guy flying my plane when I go on vacation.
So it's ok for professional and collegiate teams to allow losing teams into the playoffs, but not high school? Is that your opinion?
Should a 19-5 high school basketball team be left out of the playoffs? That seems playoff worthy, doesn't it? It happened to the Windber girls back in the late 90's. So what did D5 do? They didn't change the system that year, but they adjusted the playoffs in following years. When something doesn't work, they fix it. This is a new system that allowed a 3-6 team in the playoffs this year. I would guess if this becomes common place, and not just a one year thing, they will adjust it again in the future.[/quote]
Facts:
1) The records in D5A range from 8-1 to 3-6.
2) The records in D6A range from 9-0 to 7-2.
3) Windber wins the WestPAC, and D5 MOST every year.
4) Portage goes 8-1 to 6-3 nearly each year... yet they don't make the playoffs that often.
5) A lot of schools have a clause stating that a below .500 team should recommend not entering the playoffs. (integrity sort of thing)
Professional and Collegiate Teams...
... play a lot more games and a wide variety of skilled teams.
... are very similar in the skills of their players.
... have the ability to turn around a program because that is their job. They can start out at 3-6 then end up 15-6 on a turn-around-season.
Final Thought
A winning record does not gurantee you a playoff spot if the rest of the spots are filled with teams that have better records. You weren't good enough to make them. I am saying that a team with a losing record (I consider 4-5 to be the absolute cutoff here) should not be in the playoffs because they shouldn't be lowering standards. I want the 9-0, not the 3-6, guy flying my plane when I go on vacation.