John P. "Jack" Murtha

[Pale Rider]

I beg everyone's pardon....Murtha's earlier screwup was called "ABSCAM", not the Iran/ Contra-gate. Look it up, if you like.

[once a runner]

Murtha was cleared of any wrongdoing in ABSCAM.

By the time Murtha gets any chance at being Secretary of Defense, he will be 77 years old. Do you really think Murtha will be looking for that kind of job at that age? I suppose it's possible, it worked for Reagan. Imagine the concept of having a Secretary of Defense who was in combat. I guess that was tried by this administration, but Powell just didn't give the answers they were looking for.

Not sure what Murtha's kid has to do with all this. If we're going to bring the kids into it, then the Bush family will need their own wing of Betty Ford. They could have their own show of COPS. Face it, George's and JEB's kids haven't been angels.

[frostlion]

Yes I know, the Bush twins got busted for underage drinking!! I have never known anyone who got nailed for that at the University of Texas ;-)

Now that Nicole Bush is quite a different story. SHe just looks like a crum bum.

[LionPride]

Murtha was just Pelosi's whipping boy, nothing more. He did her dirty work, because of his background. She would've never got away with that. But you know what, that's politics. That's the way the game is played.

Here's what gets my goat about this whole thing. Last Friday, Rep. Jean Schmidt (R-Ohio) gave a rousing speech about a conversation she had with a colonel in the Marines. The Marine's message was simple, cowards cut and run, Marines never do. As she was giving this speech, the Democrats angrily erupted, shouting at her so her words could not be heard. She wasn't calling Murtha a coward, but that's how the media is portraying her words.

And here's the kicker - this paragraph taken from the Washington Post website.
"As Democrats physically restrained one colleague, who appeared as if he might lose control of himself as he rushed across the aisle to confront Republicans with a jabbing finger, they accused Republicans of playing political games with the war."

How many of you heard that? Now I'm going to take you back to Sept. 2000. How many of you remember when Rick Lazio, during a debate, left his podium to hand Hitlary a piece of paper to sign saying she would not use soft money in her campaign. The liberals (primarily women's groups) went nuts, saying Lazio attacked her, and violated her, and it was an act of agression. Remember that liberals?

Where are those woman's groups now? Why aren't those same people/groups standing up today to denounce what happened to Jean Schmidt? Why isn't this the lead in the media news stories, like it was back in 2000? If what Lazio did to Clinton was an attack, then what the Democrats did to Schmidt on Friday was attempted murder.

[Lemmy]

Perhaps she no one is defending her because she seems to making er... stuff up....

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ ... /511220352

WASHINGTON - Three days after Rep. Jean Schmidt was booed off the House floor for saying that "cowards cut and run, Marines never do," the Ohioan she quoted disputed the comments.

Danny Bubp, a freshman state representative who is a colonel in the Marine Corps Reserve, told The Enquirer that he never mentioned Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., by name when talking with Schmidt, and he would never call a fellow Marine a coward.

"The unfortunate thing about all of that is that her choice of words on the floor of the House - I don't know, she's a freshman, she had one minute."Unfortunately, they came out wrong," said Bubp, R-West Union.

[LionPride]

Lemmy, as usual you fail to paint the entire picture. You only show what validates your point of view. Read further in that article. This wasn't a personal attack on Murtha. It was an attack on his belief that we should cut and run. It was Murtha that stood up before the world and said we need to get out now. So who should she have addressed her remarks to?

How many commanders on the ground have to stand up and say we need to finish the job before Democrats will realize it? Remember, we left Afghanistan too soon decades ago, and look what happened. We left Somalia too soon in the early 90's, look at what's happening there. Democrats are so short sighted it's unbelievable. Do what feel goods at the time, not what is right - the new Democrat motto.

Here's the part in your article I'm referring to. Read it all.

"There was no discussion of him personally being a coward or about any person being a coward," Bubp said. "My message to the folks in Washington, D.C., and to all the Congress people up there, is to stay the course. We cannot leave Iraq or cut and run - any terminology that you want to use."

Still, Bubp said the whole thing has been blown out of proportion.

Since the remarks on Friday, Schmidt has been in headlines around the world, the subject of a "Saturday Night Live" skit, and discussed on countless blogs.

"I could just imagine how nervous she must have been on the floor with everyone watching," Bubp said. "I don't want to be interjected into this. I wish she never used my name."

Schmidt's chief of staff, Barry Bennett, said the congresswoman may have mentioned Murtha by name but she was referring to Murtha's call to bring U.S. troops home - not Murtha himself.

[LionPride]

And where's the outcry about Ford having to be restrained by his colleagues? Seriously, imagine if a Republican did that, and what you guys would be saying.

Lazio simply handed Clinton a piece of paper back in 2000. He was labeled a bully for that, and accused of abusing a woman. What about Ford's actions? Do you justify them?

And you know what, what Schmidt did is no worse than what the leaders of the Democratic party have been calling Bush (publicly) for years now.

[southpaw]

Just some more liberal double standards and double talk. As usual they have no solution to anything and just blame Bush. Murtha must be getting a little senile... maybe the old geezer should finally call it quits he clearly is not operating on all cylinders.

I think Lemmy is really Alan Coloumes!

[Lemmy]

Yawn. Yunz guyz bore me. Happy Thanksgiving.

I am not Alan Colmes. I have a spine.

Southpaw is it you who brought up in another post the Oreo story from Maryland... Seems to be some question whether it actually happened...

Media reports of Oreo cookies employed as a racist taunt during a 2002 Maryland gubernatorial campaign debate have recently come under dispute. Now, the media that reported the story—in many instances without independent confirmation or transparent sourcing—is struggling to explain how a racially charged (and apparently controversial) claim by Republican politicians became an accepted fact in major newspapers across the country.

http://www.citypaper.com/news/story.asp?id=11150

Murtha resolution = earliest practicable opportunity
Rethug voted upon resolution = immediate withdraw

Reaching out to the Sunni Arab community, Iraqi leaders called for a timetable for the withdrawal of U.S.-led forces and said Iraq's opposition had a "legitimate right" of resistance.

The communique -- finalized by Shiite, Kurdish and Sunni leaders Monday -- condemned terrorism but was a clear acknowledgment of the Sunni position that insurgents should not be labeled as terrorists if their operations do not target innocent civilians or institutions designed to provide for the welfare of Iraqi citizens.

The leaders agreed on "calling for the withdrawal of foreign troops according to a timetable, through putting in place an immediate national program to rebuild the armed forces ... control the borders and the security situation" and end terror attacks.

Legimate right to resistance = kill our troops

Secretary Rice is saying....

WASHINGTON (AP) - Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice says the United States will probably not need to maintain its current troop levels in Iraq "very much longer," though she declined to provide a precise timetable for reduction in U.S. forces.
Rice appeared to set the stage for such a reduction, saying the Iraqi forces are doing a better job of holding their own against insurgents.

[Lemmy]

Friday, November 18, 2005; Posted: 11:34 p.m. EST (04:34 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The top U.S. commander in Iraq has submitted a plan to the Pentagon for withdrawing troops in Iraq, according to a senior defense official.

Gen. George Casey submitted the plan to Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld. It includes numerous options and recommends that brigades -- usually made up of about 2,000 soldiers each -- begin pulling out of Iraq early next year.