Rivals.com 100 PSU Update
Cedric Jeffries: 3 star, decommits from UVA verbals to PSU. Listed as WR but probably will play strong safety at PSU.
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Here's an article for you Nitwits that get all caught up on how many stars a recruit has. This is from a guy who has been there, done that, and made a living at it.
UM's Garcia looks hard to find hidden talent
By Omar Kelly
Staff Writer
Posted December 19 2005
CORAL GABLES · During his tenure as the Cleveland Browns' vice president of player personnel, Pete Garcia visited numerous college football programs annually, and the one thing he found troubling at just about every stop was that he could easily find recruiting magazines sprinkled around the coaching offices.
Garcia, who built his reputation as Butch Davis' right-hand man at both the University of Miami and in Cleveland, will be the first to tell you there is no science to talent evaluation.
He'll also admit he's far from perfect at it, which explains why under his watch the Browns drafted William Green instead of Clinton Portis, a Hurricane tailback he and Davis coached.
But now that he has returned to UM as an associate athletic director, Garcia plans to use the knowledge he has acquired in the pros to revolutionize how college teams evaluate and recruit prospects. And coach Larry Coker, who he meets with regularly, seems willing to let Garcia use the Hurricanes as his guinea pig.
"At most colleges, they feel they don't have the time or resources to turn over every rock searching for players," Garcia said. "Most colleges take the easy way out, going after the kids being recruited by the major powers. Everyone else wants them so you feel you have to go get them.
"Go look at any pro team's draft board and you'll be amazed at how many players are being selected in the first three rounds from small schools that were overlooked by the big powers."
Garcia has encouraged Miami's coaches to ignore recruiting lists and trust their own evaluations. The goal is to find more of the hidden gems that helped transform UM into a dynasty the past two decades.
By hidden gems, he's referring to players like Santana Moss, Ed Reed, Phillip Buchanon, Portis, Jeremy Shockey, Jerome McDougle and Jonathan Vilma. Each of those players Garcia helped bring to UM wasn't a highly touted high school player, but most of them turned into first-round picks. Portis was the exception, and as it turned out he's presently the NFL's highest-paid running back.
Garcia believes there are dozens of hidden gems to be found each year, and he's convinced UM's staff to trust their own elevations of a player's athletic ability, character and intellect to discover who best fits Miami's system as opposed to putting all their energy into targeting the nation's top prospects.
Freshman linebacker Darryl Sharpton is the perfect example of the type of player UM is trying to build its program around. The only other Division I-A school that offered Sharpton a scholarship was Stanford, but he quickly established himself this fall as one of Miami's most promising freshmen.
"Just because he's not 6-foot, most colleges said, `you can't play football for me,'" assistant head coach Art Kehoe said of Sharpton. "That guy will spend his whole life trying to prove to the world that he belongs here, and belongs in the NFL. That's what we want."
Even though Kehoe admits he has made recruiting mistakes, he said four issues are investigated to determine if a player is meant to be a Hurricane.
Is he a hard worker, someone who will study film when it's not demanded, like Reed does? Is he tough mentally and physically? Does he really love football, or is he just playing it because he's big? And is he smart, not just book smart, but also a thinker on the football field.
"How do you put a value on toughness, leadership ability, loving the game, caring about your teammates," Kehoe said. "The one thing Pete's talked to us about is when a red flag comes up, pay attention. Don't be enamored with a kid because FSU, USC, Penn State wants him. When you get guys with the right character and the right work ethic into your program, you're going to win. Making a mistake because a kid's fast and can jump over a building will cost you in the long run."
UM's Garcia looks hard to find hidden talent
By Omar Kelly
Staff Writer
Posted December 19 2005
CORAL GABLES · During his tenure as the Cleveland Browns' vice president of player personnel, Pete Garcia visited numerous college football programs annually, and the one thing he found troubling at just about every stop was that he could easily find recruiting magazines sprinkled around the coaching offices.
Garcia, who built his reputation as Butch Davis' right-hand man at both the University of Miami and in Cleveland, will be the first to tell you there is no science to talent evaluation.
He'll also admit he's far from perfect at it, which explains why under his watch the Browns drafted William Green instead of Clinton Portis, a Hurricane tailback he and Davis coached.
But now that he has returned to UM as an associate athletic director, Garcia plans to use the knowledge he has acquired in the pros to revolutionize how college teams evaluate and recruit prospects. And coach Larry Coker, who he meets with regularly, seems willing to let Garcia use the Hurricanes as his guinea pig.
"At most colleges, they feel they don't have the time or resources to turn over every rock searching for players," Garcia said. "Most colleges take the easy way out, going after the kids being recruited by the major powers. Everyone else wants them so you feel you have to go get them.
"Go look at any pro team's draft board and you'll be amazed at how many players are being selected in the first three rounds from small schools that were overlooked by the big powers."
Garcia has encouraged Miami's coaches to ignore recruiting lists and trust their own evaluations. The goal is to find more of the hidden gems that helped transform UM into a dynasty the past two decades.
By hidden gems, he's referring to players like Santana Moss, Ed Reed, Phillip Buchanon, Portis, Jeremy Shockey, Jerome McDougle and Jonathan Vilma. Each of those players Garcia helped bring to UM wasn't a highly touted high school player, but most of them turned into first-round picks. Portis was the exception, and as it turned out he's presently the NFL's highest-paid running back.
Garcia believes there are dozens of hidden gems to be found each year, and he's convinced UM's staff to trust their own elevations of a player's athletic ability, character and intellect to discover who best fits Miami's system as opposed to putting all their energy into targeting the nation's top prospects.
Freshman linebacker Darryl Sharpton is the perfect example of the type of player UM is trying to build its program around. The only other Division I-A school that offered Sharpton a scholarship was Stanford, but he quickly established himself this fall as one of Miami's most promising freshmen.
"Just because he's not 6-foot, most colleges said, `you can't play football for me,'" assistant head coach Art Kehoe said of Sharpton. "That guy will spend his whole life trying to prove to the world that he belongs here, and belongs in the NFL. That's what we want."
Even though Kehoe admits he has made recruiting mistakes, he said four issues are investigated to determine if a player is meant to be a Hurricane.
Is he a hard worker, someone who will study film when it's not demanded, like Reed does? Is he tough mentally and physically? Does he really love football, or is he just playing it because he's big? And is he smart, not just book smart, but also a thinker on the football field.
"How do you put a value on toughness, leadership ability, loving the game, caring about your teammates," Kehoe said. "The one thing Pete's talked to us about is when a red flag comes up, pay attention. Don't be enamored with a kid because FSU, USC, Penn State wants him. When you get guys with the right character and the right work ethic into your program, you're going to win. Making a mistake because a kid's fast and can jump over a building will cost you in the long run."
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Re: Rivals.com 100 PSU Update
Paterno's teeth are like stars. They come out at night.
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Speaking of recruiting, here is a site from ESPN that has Temple, Troy, and Rice in the TOP SIX for recruiting.......Not sure how they calculate that...must be that "new math".
http://insider.espn.go.com/ncf/recruiti ... 2frankings
http://insider.espn.go.com/ncf/recruiti ... 2frankings
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Re: Rivals.com 100 PSU Update
Odrick's verbal to PSU was NOT a coup. According to the Post Gazette, he attended 6 Penn State home games this past season. What does that tell you? He probably was going to PSU all the way. Georgia and Florida probably never really had a chance. Let's not make it seem like he was "stolen" from these other schools.
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Odrick's verbal to PSU was NOT a coup. According to the Post Gazette, he attended 6 Penn State home games this past season. What does that tell you? He probably was going to PSU all the way. Georgia and Florida probably never really had a chance. Let's not make it seem like he was "stolen" from these other schools.
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Sometimes you amaze me. No one in this thread mentioned that it was a "coup" or to use your quote, that he was "stolen."
Rather: "Picks PSU over Georgia and Florida" was the quote.
And yes, Georiga did have a chance, regardless of how many visits he made to PSU. As late as Nov 16, in an article on scout.com, Odrick suggested that his "Georgia visit is the best so far." Georgia, Florida, V. Tech, and UVA all made offers and he took visits.
http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=157&p=8&c=1&nid=1694720
(it's the fifth story under the "hot news" category)
Odrick's verbal to PSU was NOT a coup. According to the Post Gazette, he attended 6 Penn State home games this past season. What does that tell you? He probably was going to PSU all the way. Georgia and Florida probably never really had a chance. Let's not make it seem like he was "stolen" from these other schools.
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Sometimes you amaze me. No one in this thread mentioned that it was a "coup" or to use your quote, that he was "stolen."
Rather: "Picks PSU over Georgia and Florida" was the quote.
And yes, Georiga did have a chance, regardless of how many visits he made to PSU. As late as Nov 16, in an article on scout.com, Odrick suggested that his "Georgia visit is the best so far." Georgia, Florida, V. Tech, and UVA all made offers and he took visits.
http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=157&p=8&c=1&nid=1694720
(it's the fifth story under the "hot news" category)
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Re: Rivals.com 100 PSU Update
On Monday you wrote "Jared Ondrick to PSU! Picks PSU over Georgia and Florida". NOTICE your exclamation mark after the first sentence. Looks like you were surprised, like a coup. And, of course, you mentioned who lost out. Even the article you referred us to seemed to think it was some kind of coup. Just an observation on my part, about a kid who was PRESENT for 6 of PSU's 7 (yes 7) home games.
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Re: Rivals.com 100 PSU Update
Update:
McCoy - 10%
From what I heard, and have read, apparently USC, Tech, and PSU all informed McCoy that his academics, and injury, are reason enough to go to prep. Unless he goes to Thug U (Miami) for F$U, he's most likely prep bound. In another more interesting story, apparently at McCoy's last visit to PSU he and MRob got into a bit of a shoving match whenever McCoy brought up PSU's last two seasons and suggested it was the players fault. Take it for what it's worth, but according to "reports" the two had to be pulled apart.
Young - 10% (Urban gets him)
Hazelton - 60%
Logan-El - 80%
Evans - PSU lock
Troutman - 60%
Quarless - PSU lock
Wallace - 40% Still think the Buckeyes get him.
Walton - PSU lock. forget WVU, F$U, and the Huskers.
Taylor - 70% (VT still there)
Odrick - Got him.
Gibson - 0% (Ohio St & UM, prep school)
Cumberland - 0%
Hunter - <20%..
Whitmore - <25%
Patterson - <25%
Eliades 40% (BC or Spurrier)
Berry - 0%...just doesn't like us
Royster - 70%
McCoy - 10%
From what I heard, and have read, apparently USC, Tech, and PSU all informed McCoy that his academics, and injury, are reason enough to go to prep. Unless he goes to Thug U (Miami) for F$U, he's most likely prep bound. In another more interesting story, apparently at McCoy's last visit to PSU he and MRob got into a bit of a shoving match whenever McCoy brought up PSU's last two seasons and suggested it was the players fault. Take it for what it's worth, but according to "reports" the two had to be pulled apart.
Young - 10% (Urban gets him)
Hazelton - 60%
Logan-El - 80%
Evans - PSU lock
Troutman - 60%
Quarless - PSU lock
Wallace - 40% Still think the Buckeyes get him.
Walton - PSU lock. forget WVU, F$U, and the Huskers.
Taylor - 70% (VT still there)
Odrick - Got him.
Gibson - 0% (Ohio St & UM, prep school)
Cumberland - 0%
Hunter - <20%..
Whitmore - <25%
Patterson - <25%
Eliades 40% (BC or Spurrier)
Berry - 0%...just doesn't like us
Royster - 70%
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