NB vs. Bedford

[pas2326100]

I agree with you longball, there has been a definate injustice here. It will directly affect district team standings as well as individual rankings. This needs corrected now. They should not be allowed to get away with this. If they allow this to happen then they might as well let snuff walters and others wrestle even though they transferred for wrestling reasons.

[Warden787]

It is not called the "Richland Dual Meet Tournament", it is called "Richland Duals". All your doing is making a play on words with "tournament". The loophole I am talking about is now you will be charged the same number of points for a series of duals over two days as opposed to a two day tournament. I don't understand what you mean by "problem". What is the problem? Teams cannot get by with dual events only being charged 3 points now. Problem solved.

[longball5]

you are correct...they are the Richland Duals...and, according to the point system in place, each dual meet is worth 1 point....if that is the case, then there is a problem that you are ignoring...there is no loophole that you are talking about.....

[Sneakers]

The underlying factor is that District 5 does not count tournaments as part of their ranking system. Should these duals be used to determine the 1-6 seeds in the District or not? I do not believe North Star listed the 7 Duals on their District rating form so they are not counted. (For Ridge it's a moot point this year, a clear-cut #1 seed.)

[longball5]

each team is allowed 24 competition points per season....dual meets count 1..tourneys are 3.....this is a PIAA rule....not abiding by it changes many things.....

[BOSSHOGG]

Lots of schools are doing it down east and north. Until the PIAA changes the system there is nothing wrong about it, rules are rules. Don't get disgruntled at the people that use them to there advantage because you don't HR.

[longball5]

I know of many dual meet tournaments...although stretching the rules, they are still within the letter of the law...this was not...and to ignore it penalizes all schools and wrestlers who are staying within the guidelines...

I'm sorry...saying others do it doesn't necessarily make it right....as we've seen before...

I'm calling them on this one...now, will the D6 committee or the PIAA do anything about it? or are rules just for those that follow them?

[TheAnalyst]

What a great lesson for all you youngin's. If you can find a way to cheat the system by the use of symantics/interpretation it is acceptable, even though you know better. Especially if lots of other people are doing it.

[Head Roadie]

Bosshog:

Show me a tournament to the east or north, a dual meet team tournament, that does not ultimately have a champion???

I am trying to understand this and I have not found one. It is very clear that to qualify for the three team points for this type of competition it must be an individual or team tournament. Explain to me how the Richland duals are a team tournament when all the matches are pre-scheduled?

Since I believe you are from Ridge, explain this one to me: How can Ridge count matches toward the Inter-County Conference Wrestling League, which I was told they were doing, when this is a tournament? Correct me if I'm wrong about that but that's what I was told.
So....Is it a tournament or regular season matches? How can it be both?

Some examples I've found include round-robin duals (Like Hanover and Juniata I believe), Pool or group play duals that end with a tournament among the highest ranked teams from pool or group play (Canner, Ultimate duals, Elite duals). I've found nothing like the Richland Duals.

Note to Warden....If it's "Richland Duals" then it should be 7 points....no different than double-duals being 2 points. They are running dual meets under the rules in place for a tournament....If they had groups, had an ultimate champion in some way shape or form then nobody would be complaining.

Didn't anyone find it interesting that Richland, now the D6 #3 seed (Yes, D6 counts "tournaments" D5 does not), went 7-0 versus the 7 weakest team in these duals? Richland is now claiming a 17-3 record for district team tournament seeding. Doesn't that, if nothing else, smell funny to anyone?

[Warden787]

This is the last I am going to say on this subject. I found 6 different dual meet events on Wrestling Report that did not have a "tournament" format. This is not to say because someone else does this it is right, simply to point out that it is too widespread to have even a whiff of wrongdoing. I think coaches and administrators made inquiries of the PIAA several years ago and discovered they could get more matches for their kids by holding dual events without being charged a point for every dual meet simply because it was a multiple team event. The PIAA obviously felt the letter of the law was not broken, but the spirit of the law was. They changed the rule to address the issue.

District 6 may use the points aquired for seeding, but District 5 does not which I think is correct. To imply that any District 5 school that participates in the Richland Duals should be penalized is ludicrous.

Let's move on and talk about the rest of the season. Thomas Tournament, District Duals, Districts, Regionals, and States are much better subjects than trying to denigrate schools for this.