The end of the world as we know it!

[TBone]

The problem with many privates is the subtle recruitment that takes place by factors other than school officials. Take the WPIAL for example. J.O. Stright, founder of the AAU team J.O.T.S. is a major player where kids go to school. Right now Sophomore Terrelle Pryor of Jeanette is contemplating leaving the Jayhawks at the end of this year. He was quoted as saying "I will go where J.O. tells me to go". Now this is extreme, but there are many cases where an alum or ex-coach, or a parent plays a big role in where these athletes go. J.O. is not thinking of Terrelle's education. His one concern is basketball. The result is the continued inbalance between the publics and privates. Nothing is illegal about this type of recruitment but fairness is another matter.

[vman]

Okay Moldy, Sorry Pal but have been extremely busy...do have a life and practice and there are a lot of other Manic Depressives, Paranoid Schizophrenics, Narcissists and Borderline Personality Disorders out there.
Re paying tuition(interestingly one of your favorite topics) I have to preface my remarks by re-stating my position that I obviously do not know details of all student situations and am not affiliated with McCort in any way other than having children attend there, although I do wish I could have a school official detail the financial process(certainly more knowledgably than I).... I will repeat/highlight what I touched on briefly, earlier in this topic and that is the fact that school choice does not exist in certain areas of this country and despite your perception that a "sponsorship" program "fell out of the sky" most all parochial schools struggle significantly. The admins. and alum. of McCort should be applauded for the unbelievable accomplishment in the area of financial assistance(but you will certainly pooh, pooh this effort). You have no idea how many parishes&schools struggle! Another feeling of mine is that I would scrape, save and borrow to send my kids to BM even if it cost $15,000./annually; because there is a Crucifix in each classroom!! Oh, but we'll minimize or ridicule freedom of religion also!! Yeah you are allowed to pray also and can even have an American Flag(probably the next thing banned in our public schols ).
There exist @ BM a tuition determination process and any family regardless of income and faith sends forms,confidentially, to an accounting firm; based on several financial factors a tuition is determined. Now right in BMs literature and brochures it depicts that nearly 3/4 of all studs. receive aide...doing the math in my head the avg. reduction is roughly $2,000...Then the diocese has a supplementary program which aides those qualified from different parishes(students not from parochial schools would not receive any help here) Not knowing all details, BM also has other funds for families needing further aide(based solely on income). While attending BM students may be eligible for "Named Scholarships"...these awards were touched upon in a thread last fall when a McCort student tried to explain that these are mainly alumni, friends and supporters of the school. It has grown in recent yrs, thanks again to current staff, and is mainly awarded for academic achievement. The ceremony is actually quite beautiful(as if you'd give a da**). My daughters have won $500 awards for Foreign Lang, Community Service and Leadership. One year, one of my daughters received 2 awards. Most scholarships are family donated and target areas like those I mentioned plus the Arts, Math,Sci etc...others are more specific and are awarded to individuals from a certain parish or family...seniors can receive awards to apply towards college tuition.
Quoting you and your beloved Ky rule''there would be NO alumni paying anyone's tuition either." I just don't think you can nix: tuition determination based on income, diocesan aide and achieved scholarships! And one of your favorites: "a certain basketball player from McCort would not have played this year at McCort because a guy from Conemaugh Valley paid his tuition." I mean this is a 1-in-a-million happening but you continually ignore/avoid what a decent, humanitarian, charitable gesture this truly was!!!
Also, I bet you are unaware of EITC. Establihed in 2001, it gives tax credits to businesses for donations to nonprofit scolarship and educational improvement(guess who qualifies in first category)! Nearly 2,000 businesses have donated more than 90 Million. These companies receive tax credits up to $200,000 annually! Most scholarships go to low income families. 90 MIL in less than 5 yrs...think this will be scrapped Moldy??? I don't think so...I told you: You are not in Ky, Kansas or Oz.

[vman]

Now Pale, I have not heard from you in days! I still wait on a response to my Pete O. question...you and pals have had @ least 2 wks to consider a response, I've only asked this ? 6or7 times now!!!
Don't avoid me Pale I may start exhibiting complex like symptoms.
Speaking of exhibiting symptoms: I pulled some interesing/revealing quotes of yours that I remembered from past topics. Lets share some shall we...

I have a degree in Liberal Arts.......Would you like fries with that? Pale 12-01-05;

Then this classic when engaged wth Moldy on a topic and he asks "So everyone thinks they're Napolean. So what?". Your response Posted: 03 Dec Pale: "That's just not true. All the voices in my head tell me they're Napole-ON!"

And best for last: Posted: 04 Dec 2005 Pale:

"We're all bozo's on this bus.

You're just jealous because the voices only talk to ME!

Earth is the insane asylum for the universe.

Out of my mind- be back in 5 minutes.

Ever stop to think, and forget to start again?

God made us all equals. Prozac made us all friends! "

I told you previously that I have followed this site for a couple of years. Now tell me again that I have issues! WOW!!

[Pale Rider]

Guess you never heard of humor. Then, you're too busy defending BM all the time to enjoy a joke. Think GOD doesn't have a sense of humor? Look in the mirror! As to my not answering your question. I have tried, at least every day for over a week, to do just that, but every time I type a response and hit submit, I get a log in and password request, and it WILL NOT POST IT! Maybe now, I will try again. If P. O'C. went to BM of his own free volition, then your question to me, or us, is moot, because why then would we need to ask his parents? It was the boy's decision. If it was strictly the PARENTS' decision, austensibly for the quality education, and NOT because BM has a "fairly decent" athletic program, then again we don't care either. At least he went to BM for 4 years, he didn't 'transfer' from the crosstown school because he either got in trouble or wanted a chance to "star". You seem to think I was implying that Pete was recruited. In the very beginning, all I wanted to know was where he went to 7th and 8th grades. A simple answer. You obviously believed I was implying he was recruited. I just wanted a background of this fine athlete before he came to BM. Instead, all I got from you was endless manic tirades. You know what- I FORGIVE YOU! There. Let it go.

[Pale Rider]

What do you know- the curse is lifted.

[El-Moldo]

vman: What does one psychiatrist say when he passes another one the street?...Give up? "You're fine, how am I?"... Hey with all that money around, what's the big ta-do about vouchers??? No one is denying financial aid to the "financially strapped family" who wants to send their kid to parochial school. If everyone can draw from the same "pot", that's wonderful. If it is distributed evenly amongst the needy, that's wonderful too. But what about that certain "stranger" who wants to sponsor ONE PARTICULAR KID!!! And that kid happens to be a good athlete who can help that parochial school on the playing field. Do all alumni and business give to ONE BIG POT???? And who decides who gets what? Also, do non-catholics get money from the diocese, and if so,why???? I hold in my hand the pamphlet recently distributed by Bishop McCort High School (which by the way is the most blatant attempt at athletic recruiting by a parochial school that I have ever seen). It says that due to recent changes in tuition guidelines, MORE THAN $600,000 in financial aid is available. WOW!!! In that case, why do INDIVIDUALS have to pay the way for CERTAIN athletes? It says that MORE THAN 70% of McCort students get financial aid. Are there about 600 kids at BM? That means 420 kids can avail themselves of $600,000 in aid. My math tells me that's about $1,400 per student who gets money. In Kentucky, that means the average athlete's IMMEDIATE family would have to pay the difference. In McCort's case, that's $3,400 per year. See what public schools are up against when someone steps in to pay the remainder? Why should a non-family member support ONE PARTICULAR kid who happens to play sports?? And this is not only about BM, but ALL the parochial schools in the state.

[vman]

Pale, good to see you back in operation. And I certainly enjoy a good joke as well as the camaraderie/bantering with my pals here! My insistence re the Pete O situation was actually mimicking the M.O. of some of my pals who "insist" I answer this or that. So I will likewise let it go. Boy, I can feel the love!
El M, I really wish I knew the exact details of the entire financial aide process but I will state that I am rather certain that all applicants, regardless of faith, are eligible for some aide. I know you are hung up on this, as I remember your past example...but let's say you have a daughter and wanted her to attend BM, for whatever reason, and she was not interested in any sports...You would apply(confidentially) for tuition assistance and receive a determination! Assuming you are non-cath. you would not be eligible for the parish and/or diocesan aide. But if you were a low income family and/or were paying for 2 or more educations you may qualify for more aide from programs established by the school Now once your daughter is enrolled she is then eligible for named scholarships, that I detailed previously, and most of these are earned/won through various academic, community and social achievements. There really is no sponsorship program per se!
For about the 4th time, the "stranger" sponsoring a student, who no one @ BM knew or had ever met, was like a one-in-a-million occurence and will obviously remain kosher unless a Ky like measure is passed. So your question: "In that case, why do INDIVIDUALS have to pay the way for CERTAIN athletes?" is not valid in any case other than that 1inamil occurence. NO ATHLETES HAVE THEIR WAY PAID FOR BY INDIVIDUALS!
And by the way pamphlets, brochures, billboards, ads etc are all legal.
Although deep down I am sure you would delight in the closure of all private/parochial schools and minimize the struggles of churches, parishes and schools; you may well see more ongoing ads and such as BM and others will admit more non-catholics, out of need! Now if some of these admissions run a 4.4 forty that is just a coincidence...remember your daughter would still get aide and be treated equally!