Daily Barf-Bag Report: More Notre Dame Greatness.
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Daily Barf-Bag Report: More Notre Dame Greatness.
This Notre Dame stuff is killing me. Yesterday I copied and pasted a bunch of quotes off of a nationwide college football messageboard, and I am still watching that thread to see someone defend Notre Dame or AD Kevin White. At present, still, no one has. Here's the one that applies to today:
by august ,the leprauchan will inhabit the media machine and it will be wall to wall 24/7 eye-rash during the preseason... after ohio st's 640 yd rampage-it could have been 750 yds if tressel didnt turn it down - i am still wondering who will be doing the tackling for the slow-footed eye-rash D????
August would be a blessing. Anyone who has been to ESPN.com's college football page, or Rivals, knows that the Notre Dame media hype began the day after that nightmare in Tempe on New Year's Eve. I don't mind teams being overrated, it comes with the territory, but the Notre Dame attention is wholly different.
This is a program that has an enormous fanbase. In the 15th century, Notre Dame won 100 straight national championships, and deserved all the attention they got. They accumulated fans because they were the dominant force in college football. Notre Dame has not won a national title since 1989, when Tony Rice was at the helm. They beat the best team West Virginia ever put together, but that does not mean Notre Dame beat the second-ranked team in the nation. All national titles, in my opinion, especially pre-BCS, are in dispute. We'll talk about that some other time.
The point is, this team has not only lost 8 straight bowl games, but they were put in a BCS bowl based on beating 3 winning teams, two of which were BYU and Navy and the other was a 6-5 Michigan, because they almost beat USC, and because they make so much money. You saw exactly what happened in the Fiesta Bowl, when an undeserving team was manslaughtered in front of 76,000 people and a national audience, by a team with two losses that didn't even outright win their conference.
But Notre Dame makes money, and they continue to get nods over other teams more deserving, because they make so much money. When Weis got hired, the national media went nuts. Finally, they were going to be able to exploit that fanbase and make TONS of money off of it. There is no team in the country who the media wants to see succeed more than Notre Dame.
But Notre Dame does not succeed. They gave Charlie Weis a ridiculous contract halfway through his first season, and the guy already had 2 losses under his belt, one to a team who didn't even end up being bowl eligible. As it has been proven by Kevin White's comments earlier this week, Notre Dame is actively seeking bad teams to load their schedule with teams "more conducive to success". This was a blessing in disguise for NosTAEdamus, because he proved me right about everything I alledged against Notre Dame. Even with having a schedule that even their own fans are saying has dropped down a few notches, Notre Dame still cannot go over 9-3 for the season. Even with "legendary" coach Charlie Weis at the helm, who was known for gameplans and known for his genius when given a substantial time to plan. Ohio State's coaching staff continues to be among them very best in college football.
Notre Dame's 2006 campaign, by all accounts, already has a national championship. ESPN.com not only has two Notre Dame articles listed in a pool of 9 articles, not only has another article, the main one, about ND QB Brady Quinn, but the ESPN.com front page has an article about who? Notre Dame. Earlier today, Rivals had up two articles about Notre Dame, in a pool of 7, and earlier this week had articles up about Notre Dame as the main article. ESPN.com's conference reviews has an enormous section dedicated to Notre Dame, much bigger than any I have seen about other schools. Is Notre Dame seriously the frontrunner in 2006? Absolutely not.
I mean, I like Brady Quinn just as much as the next heterosexual sports fan, but give me a break here. Read this. I know it's a little long, but you tell me if this sounds like the type of team who deserves all this praise and attention.
Quite frankly, we couldn't find many adequate answers to the questions we had for the Irish coming into spring ball. Start with the offense. The job at backup quarterback wasn't claimed by either Evan Sharpley or David Wolke. So if Quinn goes down, it might be up to one of the incoming freshmen, Zach Frazer or Demetrius Jones. No one claimed right tackle outright, either. Will it be an inexperienced soph like Paul Duncan or Michael Turkovich? Maybe even Sam Young or one of the other freshmen? Weis isn't ruling it out. And what about the depth at receiver? Do you realize McKnight is Notre Dame's second-leading returnee at wide receiver? With five catches? The loss of Matt Shelton as a No. 3 is nothing to scoff at, especially since the Irish can't rely on the dependable hands of TE Anthony Fasano anymore. Only late in the spring did David Grimes emerge as the likely third option. He'll bring two career catches into the fall. … Then there's the defense. If you don't think it's crucial the Irish find a consistent pass rush in the big games, give Ohio State QB Troy Smith another 15 seconds and he'll be able to deliver you an answer. All those third-and-long conversions in the Fiesta Bowl were nothing new. Sure, the Irish could pile up a bunch of sacks all at once, usually against inferior opponents, but too often an already-shaky secondary was left out to dry while the opposing quarterback was given a free pass to pick it apart at his own leisurely pace. Weis challenged the D-line all spring long, even having DE Victor Abiamiri watch film of the New York Giants' Michael Strahan. Some of the linemen started to pick up on the concept late, especially in the spring game. But what happens in the spring game stays in the spring game. Most prefer to see what goes on in the fall. So the pressure is on -- or at least it better be. … The only two losses on D were at linebacker (Brandon Hoyte and Corey Mays). Although LB Maurice Crum Jr. was recovering from back surgery and limited a bit, he played all three linebacker spots so the Irish would be able to just pick the next two best to start, regardless of position. Problem is, no one went nuts and really took over even one of those spots. Will it be senior Mitchell Thomas, whose career has mostly involved special teams? Maybe sophomores Anthony Vernaglia and/or Joe Brockington, both talented but with a combined 26 minutes of playing time between them? Or is this the place for a freshman like Toryan Smith? … Finally, is the Irish secondary still vulnerable to the deep ball? Even with occasional pressure in the spring game, the DBs were still burned too many times. These guys can't do anything about their lack of speed. They can do something about those mental lapses. … On special teams, Notre Dame suffered a double whammy with the loss of K/P D.J. Fitzpatrick. Weis is pleased with new punter Geoff Price, but when asked about senior kicker Carl Gioia, he responded with, "Sign me up, I'm concerned." Sounds like freshman Ryan Burkhart will get every shot at this position.
Get ready for it, because Notre Dame is already being pounded down our throats. You Pitt fans claim to have a rivalry with ND, well, get ready to hate them even more, and I think this is something we can all share a few beers over. Whodathunkit? Something might actually bring Penn State and Pitt fans together at last.
by august ,the leprauchan will inhabit the media machine and it will be wall to wall 24/7 eye-rash during the preseason... after ohio st's 640 yd rampage-it could have been 750 yds if tressel didnt turn it down - i am still wondering who will be doing the tackling for the slow-footed eye-rash D????
August would be a blessing. Anyone who has been to ESPN.com's college football page, or Rivals, knows that the Notre Dame media hype began the day after that nightmare in Tempe on New Year's Eve. I don't mind teams being overrated, it comes with the territory, but the Notre Dame attention is wholly different.
This is a program that has an enormous fanbase. In the 15th century, Notre Dame won 100 straight national championships, and deserved all the attention they got. They accumulated fans because they were the dominant force in college football. Notre Dame has not won a national title since 1989, when Tony Rice was at the helm. They beat the best team West Virginia ever put together, but that does not mean Notre Dame beat the second-ranked team in the nation. All national titles, in my opinion, especially pre-BCS, are in dispute. We'll talk about that some other time.
The point is, this team has not only lost 8 straight bowl games, but they were put in a BCS bowl based on beating 3 winning teams, two of which were BYU and Navy and the other was a 6-5 Michigan, because they almost beat USC, and because they make so much money. You saw exactly what happened in the Fiesta Bowl, when an undeserving team was manslaughtered in front of 76,000 people and a national audience, by a team with two losses that didn't even outright win their conference.
But Notre Dame makes money, and they continue to get nods over other teams more deserving, because they make so much money. When Weis got hired, the national media went nuts. Finally, they were going to be able to exploit that fanbase and make TONS of money off of it. There is no team in the country who the media wants to see succeed more than Notre Dame.
But Notre Dame does not succeed. They gave Charlie Weis a ridiculous contract halfway through his first season, and the guy already had 2 losses under his belt, one to a team who didn't even end up being bowl eligible. As it has been proven by Kevin White's comments earlier this week, Notre Dame is actively seeking bad teams to load their schedule with teams "more conducive to success". This was a blessing in disguise for NosTAEdamus, because he proved me right about everything I alledged against Notre Dame. Even with having a schedule that even their own fans are saying has dropped down a few notches, Notre Dame still cannot go over 9-3 for the season. Even with "legendary" coach Charlie Weis at the helm, who was known for gameplans and known for his genius when given a substantial time to plan. Ohio State's coaching staff continues to be among them very best in college football.
Notre Dame's 2006 campaign, by all accounts, already has a national championship. ESPN.com not only has two Notre Dame articles listed in a pool of 9 articles, not only has another article, the main one, about ND QB Brady Quinn, but the ESPN.com front page has an article about who? Notre Dame. Earlier today, Rivals had up two articles about Notre Dame, in a pool of 7, and earlier this week had articles up about Notre Dame as the main article. ESPN.com's conference reviews has an enormous section dedicated to Notre Dame, much bigger than any I have seen about other schools. Is Notre Dame seriously the frontrunner in 2006? Absolutely not.
I mean, I like Brady Quinn just as much as the next heterosexual sports fan, but give me a break here. Read this. I know it's a little long, but you tell me if this sounds like the type of team who deserves all this praise and attention.
Quite frankly, we couldn't find many adequate answers to the questions we had for the Irish coming into spring ball. Start with the offense. The job at backup quarterback wasn't claimed by either Evan Sharpley or David Wolke. So if Quinn goes down, it might be up to one of the incoming freshmen, Zach Frazer or Demetrius Jones. No one claimed right tackle outright, either. Will it be an inexperienced soph like Paul Duncan or Michael Turkovich? Maybe even Sam Young or one of the other freshmen? Weis isn't ruling it out. And what about the depth at receiver? Do you realize McKnight is Notre Dame's second-leading returnee at wide receiver? With five catches? The loss of Matt Shelton as a No. 3 is nothing to scoff at, especially since the Irish can't rely on the dependable hands of TE Anthony Fasano anymore. Only late in the spring did David Grimes emerge as the likely third option. He'll bring two career catches into the fall. … Then there's the defense. If you don't think it's crucial the Irish find a consistent pass rush in the big games, give Ohio State QB Troy Smith another 15 seconds and he'll be able to deliver you an answer. All those third-and-long conversions in the Fiesta Bowl were nothing new. Sure, the Irish could pile up a bunch of sacks all at once, usually against inferior opponents, but too often an already-shaky secondary was left out to dry while the opposing quarterback was given a free pass to pick it apart at his own leisurely pace. Weis challenged the D-line all spring long, even having DE Victor Abiamiri watch film of the New York Giants' Michael Strahan. Some of the linemen started to pick up on the concept late, especially in the spring game. But what happens in the spring game stays in the spring game. Most prefer to see what goes on in the fall. So the pressure is on -- or at least it better be. … The only two losses on D were at linebacker (Brandon Hoyte and Corey Mays). Although LB Maurice Crum Jr. was recovering from back surgery and limited a bit, he played all three linebacker spots so the Irish would be able to just pick the next two best to start, regardless of position. Problem is, no one went nuts and really took over even one of those spots. Will it be senior Mitchell Thomas, whose career has mostly involved special teams? Maybe sophomores Anthony Vernaglia and/or Joe Brockington, both talented but with a combined 26 minutes of playing time between them? Or is this the place for a freshman like Toryan Smith? … Finally, is the Irish secondary still vulnerable to the deep ball? Even with occasional pressure in the spring game, the DBs were still burned too many times. These guys can't do anything about their lack of speed. They can do something about those mental lapses. … On special teams, Notre Dame suffered a double whammy with the loss of K/P D.J. Fitzpatrick. Weis is pleased with new punter Geoff Price, but when asked about senior kicker Carl Gioia, he responded with, "Sign me up, I'm concerned." Sounds like freshman Ryan Burkhart will get every shot at this position.
Get ready for it, because Notre Dame is already being pounded down our throats. You Pitt fans claim to have a rivalry with ND, well, get ready to hate them even more, and I think this is something we can all share a few beers over. Whodathunkit? Something might actually bring Penn State and Pitt fans together at last.
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[quote="The Ancient Enemy";p="123082"]Finally, is the Irish secondary still vulnerable to the deep ball? Even with occasional pressure in the spring game, the DBs were still burned too many times.
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Mmm Mmm Mmm. D-Will, Norwood, Butler and Bell... Sounds like a fun afternoon in the sun in South Bend coming up here REAL soon...
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Mmm Mmm Mmm. D-Will, Norwood, Butler and Bell... Sounds like a fun afternoon in the sun in South Bend coming up here REAL soon...
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Re: Daily Barf-Bag Report: More Notre Dame Greatness.
[quote="The Ancient Enemy";p="123082"]Do you realize McKnight is Notre Dame's second-leading returnee at wide receiver? With five catches? The loss of Matt Shelton as a No. 3 is nothing to scoff at, especially since the Irish can't rely on the dependable hands of TE Anthony Fasano anymore. Only late in the spring did David Grimes emerge as the likely third option. He'll bring two career catches into the fall.[/quote]
Makes it a lot easier for our unexperienced DB's to cover 1 decent WR rather than 3 or 4 like ND has to.
I agree with TAE about this whole ND thing. ND does not scare me even being the second team on PSU's schedule. In fact, I can see 3 loses easily on ND's schedule (PSU, USC, Michigan) and I can also see them losing any of these games (Pitt, Michigan St., UCLA). Lets see Charlie Weis's contract after barely being bowl eligable.
Makes it a lot easier for our unexperienced DB's to cover 1 decent WR rather than 3 or 4 like ND has to.
I agree with TAE about this whole ND thing. ND does not scare me even being the second team on PSU's schedule. In fact, I can see 3 loses easily on ND's schedule (PSU, USC, Michigan) and I can also see them losing any of these games (Pitt, Michigan St., UCLA). Lets see Charlie Weis's contract after barely being bowl eligable.
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ND does not scare me even being the second team on PSU's schedule. In fact, I can see 3 loses easily on ND's schedule (PSU, USC, Michigan) and I can also see them losing any of these games (Pitt, Michigan St., UCLA). Lets see Charlie Weis's contract after barely being bowl eligable.
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I would also add to that list of possible losses Georgia Tech. 1st game of the year, @ Tech, anything could happen.
Michigan should be better. Healthy Mike Hart, new defensive cooridinator, plus a little fire under Carr's rear-end....
ND does not scare me even being the second team on PSU's schedule. In fact, I can see 3 loses easily on ND's schedule (PSU, USC, Michigan) and I can also see them losing any of these games (Pitt, Michigan St., UCLA). Lets see Charlie Weis's contract after barely being bowl eligable.
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I would also add to that list of possible losses Georgia Tech. 1st game of the year, @ Tech, anything could happen.
Michigan should be better. Healthy Mike Hart, new defensive cooridinator, plus a little fire under Carr's rear-end....
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Re: Daily Barf-Bag Report: More Notre Dame Greatness.
Been meaning to respond but dealing with lunatics from all sides! First the incessant attacks on NDs schedule??? Again take a look!
NDs upcoming schedule: Georgia Tech, @ Penn State, @ Michigan, Michigan State, @ Purdue, @ UCLA, Boston College, Southern California, Navy, Air Force, @ Stanford...then they add PITT for 8 more years & home 'n homes with Wash., Ok., Ariz. St., BYU & Rutgers.
C'mon without ND we all know what your OOC schedule looks like in the next 4 years!!! The directional Mich schools, Fla Int, Youngstown, Temple till the cows come home, Akron, Kent & Rockwood! YOU SHOULD BE THANKFUL ND IS RANKED HIGHLY & PLAYING YOU!
Oh but wait, that investigative reporting Vman, with help of UPS research nerd buddy, uncovered UPS' record vs anyone decent, let alone highly ranked, from '98 thru '04....Yikes, can we say underachivement Lil' Nitwit boys and girls.....drum roll please - a choking 1 FOR 15...@ least it's better than the originally reported bagel for like 7 plus years !
Therefore, despite recent posts attempting to rationalize a chance vs the Irish: recent data clearly points out that you are in trouble! It is simple, big game - UPS will lose hiking that impressive record of consequence!
Then the attempts to poke holes in NDs lineup!:
"The job at backup quarterback wasn't claimed by either Evan Sharpley or David Wolke. So if Quinn goes down, it might be up to one of the incoming freshmen, Zach Frazer or Demetrius Jones."
They have perhaps the best qb in the nation but that position is a ?? Who is the back up? Who is UPS back up? How many games has your starter started?
"No one claimed right tackle outright, either. Will it be an inexperienced soph like Paul Duncan or Michael Turkovich? Maybe even Sam Young or one of the other freshmen? Weis isn't ruling it out."
Duncan & Young were elite recruits and I hope MT does well!
"And what about the depth at receiver? Do you realize McKnight is Notre Dame's second-leading returnee at wide receiver? With five catches? The loss of Matt Shelton as a No. 3 is nothing to scoff at, especially since the Irish can't rely on the dependable hands of TE Anthony Fasano anymore. Only late in the spring did David Grimes emerge as the likely third option. He'll bring two career catches into the fall. … "
This one kills me. People that know anything about ND are aware that going into last year R McKnight was probably NDs biggest all around threat @ WR; he played like one game got hurt got redshirted - don't be surprised if he ends up an All American! Smardja is like a top 20 senior for projected NFL draft and Stovall was drafted! So 2 guys better than a guy who got drafted and this is an area of concern???
"Then there's the defense." I will admit an area of concern for the Irish but as noted "The only two losses on D were at linebacker (Brandon Hoyte and Corey Mays)." Should improve somewhat....but seriously ND may have best offense in country!!
Something might actually bring Penn State and Pitt fans together at last.
Nah, I don't think so!!
NDs upcoming schedule: Georgia Tech, @ Penn State, @ Michigan, Michigan State, @ Purdue, @ UCLA, Boston College, Southern California, Navy, Air Force, @ Stanford...then they add PITT for 8 more years & home 'n homes with Wash., Ok., Ariz. St., BYU & Rutgers.
C'mon without ND we all know what your OOC schedule looks like in the next 4 years!!! The directional Mich schools, Fla Int, Youngstown, Temple till the cows come home, Akron, Kent & Rockwood! YOU SHOULD BE THANKFUL ND IS RANKED HIGHLY & PLAYING YOU!
Oh but wait, that investigative reporting Vman, with help of UPS research nerd buddy, uncovered UPS' record vs anyone decent, let alone highly ranked, from '98 thru '04....Yikes, can we say underachivement Lil' Nitwit boys and girls.....drum roll please - a choking 1 FOR 15...@ least it's better than the originally reported bagel for like 7 plus years !
Therefore, despite recent posts attempting to rationalize a chance vs the Irish: recent data clearly points out that you are in trouble! It is simple, big game - UPS will lose hiking that impressive record of consequence!
Then the attempts to poke holes in NDs lineup!:
"The job at backup quarterback wasn't claimed by either Evan Sharpley or David Wolke. So if Quinn goes down, it might be up to one of the incoming freshmen, Zach Frazer or Demetrius Jones."
They have perhaps the best qb in the nation but that position is a ?? Who is the back up? Who is UPS back up? How many games has your starter started?
"No one claimed right tackle outright, either. Will it be an inexperienced soph like Paul Duncan or Michael Turkovich? Maybe even Sam Young or one of the other freshmen? Weis isn't ruling it out."
Duncan & Young were elite recruits and I hope MT does well!
"And what about the depth at receiver? Do you realize McKnight is Notre Dame's second-leading returnee at wide receiver? With five catches? The loss of Matt Shelton as a No. 3 is nothing to scoff at, especially since the Irish can't rely on the dependable hands of TE Anthony Fasano anymore. Only late in the spring did David Grimes emerge as the likely third option. He'll bring two career catches into the fall. … "
This one kills me. People that know anything about ND are aware that going into last year R McKnight was probably NDs biggest all around threat @ WR; he played like one game got hurt got redshirted - don't be surprised if he ends up an All American! Smardja is like a top 20 senior for projected NFL draft and Stovall was drafted! So 2 guys better than a guy who got drafted and this is an area of concern???
"Then there's the defense." I will admit an area of concern for the Irish but as noted "The only two losses on D were at linebacker (Brandon Hoyte and Corey Mays)." Should improve somewhat....but seriously ND may have best offense in country!!
Something might actually bring Penn State and Pitt fans together at last.
Nah, I don't think so!!
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Re: Daily Barf-Bag Report: More Notre Dame Greatness.
You gotta give him props. He actually thinks all you guys are dumasses and he's the brightest bulb in the pack.
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Re: Daily Barf-Bag Report: More Notre Dame Greatness.
Actually, having two feet on the ground, I respect the intelligence of others! And I have to give you props Pale: I'm reminded of a line from Mrs. Johnson, I believe, in Blazing Saddles when addressing the Gov......
"You have proved once again that you are the leading a$$hole in the state!" Have a wonderful W/E!
"You have proved once again that you are the leading a$$hole in the state!" Have a wonderful W/E!
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I have to say thank you to me ..." for not being stupid enough to go to Penn State."
He's been proven wrong at least six times on the PSU vs. top 20 teams since 1998, it's not even fun to show he's an idiot anymore.
We have a saying around the Ivory Tower: You can lead a man to the University, but you can't make him think.
We have a saying around the Ivory Tower: You can lead a man to the University, but you can't make him think.
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Re: Daily Barf-Bag Report: More Notre Dame Greatness.
Notre Dame's own fans say that they know the schedule is weaker, their AD actually comes right out and says they are scheduling teams more "conducive to success", yet he still argues about Notre Dame's scheduling with me. It's one thing to prove myself correct versus people, but a wholly new thing when that team's athletic director does it. We might have been keeping score before Wednesday when Kevin White's interview hit the wires, but that game is very over now.
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9-30-2000
PSU 22, Purdue 20.
Purdue ends the '00 season ranked 13 in both polls.
Sloppy research.
Shame, Shame.
PSU 22, Purdue 20.
Purdue ends the '00 season ranked 13 in both polls.
Sloppy research.
Shame, Shame.
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