2008 Laurel Highlands
Re: 2008 Laurel Highlands
wallpaper,
Your person "in the know" is wrong. You do not need to have been employed in a public school district in order to be an administrator there. This would be like saying a man cannot be hired to teach at an all-girls school. - it would be discriminatory in nature.
I think a better way to look at it is this - why would you want to hire a parochial school admin to become an admin at your public school? Everything is different, from standards to funding to dealing with parents. Personally, I would shy away from hiring a parochial guy simply based on this info, not a hatred for McCort or the man in question, as some of you may want to make this.
Your person "in the know" is wrong. You do not need to have been employed in a public school district in order to be an administrator there. This would be like saying a man cannot be hired to teach at an all-girls school. - it would be discriminatory in nature.
I think a better way to look at it is this - why would you want to hire a parochial school admin to become an admin at your public school? Everything is different, from standards to funding to dealing with parents. Personally, I would shy away from hiring a parochial guy simply based on this info, not a hatred for McCort or the man in question, as some of you may want to make this.
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Re: 2008 Laurel Highlands
Well put VAD, I think it would be a rough change. Going from a position where one has nearly full control to one where a board can dictate what you do, how you do it, ect., would not be a smooth process
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Sorry VAD1 but 5 years is the rule. Check with any Super or Administrator in the public school system.
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Wallpaper is correct. From the PA School Code -
Provides a chief school administrator's verification of the completion of five years of satisfactory professional school experience on a state-issued certificate appropriate for the assignment.
Provides a chief school administrator's verification of the completion of five years of satisfactory professional school experience on a state-issued certificate appropriate for the assignment.
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wallpaper,
No need to apologize - you're still wrong. T-bone, you're not even in the same ballpark with your statement.
You absolutely DO NOT need to have taught 5 years in the public school system to be considered for administrative duties within another public school system. You DO need to have five years under your belt prior to being considered for the admin position, however it makes no difference in what type of school you taught - it could even be a lector in the cyber school - as long as it totals up to 5 years.
Again, why would you want to hire someone who was not a product of the system in which they will be administering? You wouldn't, but that does not mean you can discriminate against those applicants who taught in a different school system.
T-bone, your little quote there is in reference to teaching positions, not administrative positions. All public school teachers need to meet specific requirements every 5 years or their certificate becomes lapsed. The system you're quoting provides the superintendent with verification that teachers have completed their 5-years of satisfactory requirements in order to remain active. Did you catch the last part of your own quote? "state-issued certificate appropriate for the assignment". This means that your art teacher is taking relevant courses towards their assignment and not simply taking ACT 48 courses about computers.
You two - get your facts straight before you respond. By the way, there are a lot of people who think they are "in the know." Some of these people even have high-ranking school positions. Don't forget - it's just a piece of paper that gets some of these people hired. Having the paper doesn't necessarily mean you have the knowledge.
No need to apologize - you're still wrong. T-bone, you're not even in the same ballpark with your statement.
You absolutely DO NOT need to have taught 5 years in the public school system to be considered for administrative duties within another public school system. You DO need to have five years under your belt prior to being considered for the admin position, however it makes no difference in what type of school you taught - it could even be a lector in the cyber school - as long as it totals up to 5 years.
Again, why would you want to hire someone who was not a product of the system in which they will be administering? You wouldn't, but that does not mean you can discriminate against those applicants who taught in a different school system.
T-bone, your little quote there is in reference to teaching positions, not administrative positions. All public school teachers need to meet specific requirements every 5 years or their certificate becomes lapsed. The system you're quoting provides the superintendent with verification that teachers have completed their 5-years of satisfactory requirements in order to remain active. Did you catch the last part of your own quote? "state-issued certificate appropriate for the assignment". This means that your art teacher is taking relevant courses towards their assignment and not simply taking ACT 48 courses about computers.
You two - get your facts straight before you respond. By the way, there are a lot of people who think they are "in the know." Some of these people even have high-ranking school positions. Don't forget - it's just a piece of paper that gets some of these people hired. Having the paper doesn't necessarily mean you have the knowledge.
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I certainly am not an expert on this subject so I looked it up in the School Code. Maybe I am reading it wrong but here is the whole section:
Administrative Certificates
Principal K-12
A person prepared as a school administrator may be eligible for certification as a Principal K-12 provided that the applicant:
Has completed an approved program of graduate study preparing him/her to direct, operate, supervise, and administer the organizational and general educational activities of a school. (Preparation completed out-of-state must meet Pennsylvania standards for certification.)
Is recommended for certification as a principal by the authorized certification officer of the institution where such education was obtained, or holds a comparable certificate from another state (for out-of-state graduates only).
Provides a chief school administrator's verification of the completion of five years of satisfactory professional school experience on a state-issued certificate appropriate for the assignment.
Has provided evidence of satisfactory achievement on assessments prescribed by the Department under Section 49.18(a).
Is able to meet all other requirements provided by law.
Administrative Certificates
Principal K-12
A person prepared as a school administrator may be eligible for certification as a Principal K-12 provided that the applicant:
Has completed an approved program of graduate study preparing him/her to direct, operate, supervise, and administer the organizational and general educational activities of a school. (Preparation completed out-of-state must meet Pennsylvania standards for certification.)
Is recommended for certification as a principal by the authorized certification officer of the institution where such education was obtained, or holds a comparable certificate from another state (for out-of-state graduates only).
Provides a chief school administrator's verification of the completion of five years of satisfactory professional school experience on a state-issued certificate appropriate for the assignment.
Has provided evidence of satisfactory achievement on assessments prescribed by the Department under Section 49.18(a).
Is able to meet all other requirements provided by law.
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User - I am the first to admit it when I am wrong and I still may be in this case because, as I said, I don't know anything about administrative qualifications. I just didn't like being talked down to for just attempting to clarify a question. That is the only reason that I followed up on this subject. I am done posting on this and if VAD would like to clarify the above school code section I would love to be enlightened.
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username,
I wouldn't expect you to understand any of this - just because you don't have any knowledge on the subject doesn't mean us "grown-ups" can't discuss it. Go drink your milk and take a nap.
Anyway, this statement shows your true intelligence:
"And just because you don't have a piece of paper doesn't mean you aren't the best thing that ever happened to Johnstown basketball..."
HE LIED AND CHEATED AND STOLE! Wow, what a great thing for Johnstown basketball. The players can learn alot of life lessons from that. Having that piece of paper at least shows that you had some committment and respect for the profession and attended the classes all of us other "certified" teachers had to. He forged his name on someone else's teaching certificate! He might be a great coach, but he obviously had some character issues.
T-bone, my apologies. I did not mean to talk down to you with my previous posts. I am accustomed to dealing with 5 year olds on this site and I unfairly misjudged you. Your post is logical, however there is still no school on earth that can out and out dismiss a candidate simply because they did not earn 5 years at a public school. Once again, this would be discrimination.
I wouldn't expect you to understand any of this - just because you don't have any knowledge on the subject doesn't mean us "grown-ups" can't discuss it. Go drink your milk and take a nap.
Anyway, this statement shows your true intelligence:
"And just because you don't have a piece of paper doesn't mean you aren't the best thing that ever happened to Johnstown basketball..."
HE LIED AND CHEATED AND STOLE! Wow, what a great thing for Johnstown basketball. The players can learn alot of life lessons from that. Having that piece of paper at least shows that you had some committment and respect for the profession and attended the classes all of us other "certified" teachers had to. He forged his name on someone else's teaching certificate! He might be a great coach, but he obviously had some character issues.
T-bone, my apologies. I did not mean to talk down to you with my previous posts. I am accustomed to dealing with 5 year olds on this site and I unfairly misjudged you. Your post is logical, however there is still no school on earth that can out and out dismiss a candidate simply because they did not earn 5 years at a public school. Once again, this would be discrimination.
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Let's get on track and talk about some 2008 LHAC foootball here. Anybody know of any bigtime 10th games yet for next year? Is this the year BC will get back on track?
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VAD1 have you been hitting the VAT69..........I contacted the Dept. of Ed., Dr. Zahorchak's office and 5 years in a public school system is mandatory in order to become an Administrator in a public school. I'm done with this topic and am only responding to you because your statements are incorrect and it is YOU that needs to check before stating doctrine.