Mccort football in 08

[once a runner]

Sorry vman, the equitable numbers argument doesn't quite add up. Sure on the surface it's hard to argue, but let's look at the reality of the situation. In a public school there is generally a certain proportion of students that become athletes... an even smaller proportion that goes on to become very good athletes. That proportion generally stays the same within a general population from year to year.

The same is not true in a private school. If they have 100 students in a grade, chances are that a larger proportion of them are there for athletics. It would be hard to deny that some students at private schools go there, at least in part, for athletics. In addition to the normal proportion of students who would play sports, they also attract others to their school.

This is why the private schools dominate the A and AA levels in basketball. Since you can only put 5 players on the floor at any one time, it would only take a couple of top level players to completely change the complexion of a team. Although it's a different level, look what happened to the Celtics when they added 2 great players this year (24 wins last year and 66 this year). Essentially it has the same effect on any level of basketball.

A successful private school has the ability to attract top players to their program. If a kid has a chance to start for a private school that always goes deep in the playoffs or for a losing public school program, it would only be natural that they would at least be tempted to play for the better program. The public school does not have that advantage. Every kid that goes to a private school for athletics is a loss for a public school which only widens the talent gap between the two schools.

[lakersfan24]

once a runner, arguing with vman is a bad idea. The man has almost no argument towards anything, just tries to find a way to rip public schools. (Sound familiar?)

Why bring up the FH argument? Once again YOU HAVE NO PROOF to justify anything you claim about FH. Stop trying to degrade a program that has excelled for years, and your 8 out of the last 12 is a stat, and only a stat. The reality is the rivalry is a lot closer than that, and is respected on both sides with the exception of you. Look at the football numbers, when BM has as many or even more kids on the roster, how does FH have the advantage? The fact of the matter is BM has just as many athletes if not more than AA schools in the area, so they move down to A? Private schools are at a distinct advantage, they very rarily have an abundance of financially unstable families, almost half of the students that go to private schools fit the build for an athlete. The same can't be said for public schools.

VMAN IS AN FH HATER!!!!!!!!

[El-Moldo]

I too find it unbelieveable that vman can't see the advantage of limitless borders for attracting athletes to private schools. I've used this example before. Let say that there are 2 kinds of colleges which can recruit football players. One kind can recruit from all over the country, the other from only a 75 mile radius near it's campus. Who would have the advantage? The school with "limited" borders not only would have a smaller talent pool to draw from, but could see talent from that small pool "raided" by the schools with unlimited borders. The schools that can recruit from all over the country would have a far greater talent pool to pick from, therefore giving them a distinct advantage in the kind of talent they present on the football field. This is similar to what you see in local private vs public athletics. Public schools have a limited talent pool, only having athletes that live in a geographical/political area. Private schools, even if they don't recruit, can attract athletes from many areas, stripping the public schools of their limited talent supply, while bolstering there own talent reserves.

[coachcarter]

Talking about stripping talent from public schools, can you imagine what the weakpac would have been like had Carroll not taken all those Blacklick Valley kids! Windber wouldn't have looked so great then. A class schools and/or a small AA school just don't have the numbers to replace these kids when they go to a private school. I'm not a McCort or Carroll hater (well, maybe Carroll, I hate Sponsky, HA HA)and I give them a lot of credit for all their accomplishments. But to say they don't recruit or that they don't have an advantage is either being in a state of denial or just plain being ignorant to the situation that exists between public schools and private schools in the PIAA.

[flybynight]

And what really gets some of my pals is the fact that in recent yrs you, in essence, got what you wanted in the FH (for yrs regarded as the fb power of the area) BM match-ups!! We know that BM was A or a very, very small AA school besting the errrr, we are one under/fudging again AAA rangers!!

Your argument is being attacked so you automatically try to change the subject. You cannot just leave FH out of any argument. If you find the documents to prove that FH fudges numbers, then by all means show your proof. Just another one of your unsubstantiated claims.

Quit being an FH HATER!

Hypocrite.

[vman]

Okay now I'm a hypocrite?? Again a fellow brings up a legit BM FB topic & for no reason it turns into " CHEATING in more than one post.....then recruiting, then "oh u catholics started a fight in 1933"! This is where the jealousy & H word come in!"...THIS IS UNDENIABLE...just feeding back what what happened here........ AGAIN!!!

But some don't like it when facts about FH are brought up....

VMAN IS AN FH HATER!!!!!!!!

So not true......

Some of my best friends are FH people!!

And OAR.....equitable numbers, proportions & the Boston Celtics......I got lost!!

How do explain away my Ligonier example.....dozens of students from there have matriculated to BM for yrs yet only one significant athlete??

Then some really off the wall $hi..stuff:

almost half of the students that go to private schools fit the build for an athlete.

WTF were u trying to say here laker fan??? fit the bill?? or half the kids @ BM are well built?? Confusing....you couldn't be implying that half the kids attend there for athletics!

Then pale rider enlightens us w/ this gem: "For a school that wants to be single A they have to watch their numbers if you have 5 boys that want to play in the band and 5 guys that are 6'2 and 6'3 that will play 2 sports at your private school, who is going to be the 5 guys enrolling at your institution!"

If you had any business acumen at all or a brain one would know that the private schools struggle mightily and several grade schools & parishes close it seems annually.....believe me BM would rather have AAA numbers than A numbers & if 50 kids aspired to enroll & be in the band they would be accepted!!

[flybynight]

Some of my best friends are FH people!!

Do they know of your apparent secret hatred for Forest Hills?

[once a runner]

And OAR.....equitable numbers, proportions & the Boston Celtics......I got lost!!

Sorry to go over your head, I'll try to bring it down to your level. BM had 48 players on the roster last year in grades 10-12. Most, if not all, of the local class A schools do not have near that number. Many of them now bring up 9th graders to the JV/Varsity level simply so they can play a JV team. Thus, the "proportion" of students playing football (and probably most other sports) is greater than other public schools. Any time a kid is "attracted" to BM to play athletics, the proportion goes up. That is why private schools should be forced to move up a classification or two.

For all of your ranting and raving, you have yet to answer the question.

[lakersfan24]

That's exactly how Vman is. First he brings something up, then you challenge it, then he posts sections of what you said and changes the subject. Classic VwoMan. Do you FH friends hate McCort as much as you hate FH?

[vman]

First he brings something up, then you challenge it

For the 3rd time now....I did not bring anything up...a fellow brings up a legit BM FB topic & for no reason it turns into " CHEATING in more than one post.....then recruiting, then "oh u catholics started a fight in 1933"! This is where the jealousy & H word come in!"...THIS IS UNDENIABLE...just feeding back what what happened here........ AGAIN!!!

And who says I hate FH...getting defensive there!!