When are you Johnstown "hunkies" going to vote this bum out!

[southpaw]

Not in my lifetime. I'm worried about Obama staying too long. He could be our Caesar and doom the republic.

[deliverance]

You may be right. I guess we will find out in the next couple years if he is elected. I hope you are wrong, but there's no guarantees in this world anymore.

[southpaw]

Of course the republic many would argue the Roman republic was already doomed before Caesar. Sulla and Marius did a lot of damage before Caesar crossed the Rubicon.

[deliverance]

southpaw, where did you go to college? You seem to be a pretty intelligent guy.

[southpaw]

SF/UPJ not a hisory major.

[RidgeDad]

southpaw, where did you go to college? You seem to be a pretty intelligent guy.

Haha - I've known Southpaw all my life, and that's the first I've heard him described that way.

Deliverance - you just caused an already pretty big ego to EXPLODE!

Just busting on you Southy.

[deliverance]

Well, you guys seem to have pretty good observations on things, even if at times they are one sided. It's your beliefs and there's nothing wrong with having them. It's hard to find people on message boards that can present their side of an argument without coming off as very arrogant. You guys aren't so bad.

[southpaw]

Not sure who you are Ridge Dad but thanks for the compliment.

[southpaw]

John Murtha Calls Western Pa. 'Redneck'
Congressman Says Western Pa. Was 'Really Redneck'

POSTED: 4:24 pm EDT October 20, 2008
UPDATED: 8:50 am EDT October 21, 2008
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CHARLEROI, Pa. -- U.S. Rep. John Murtha is calling many of the people who put him in office "rednecks."

The news comes one week after Murtha claimed the area is racist, then apologized for that comment.

In explaining his comments about racism, Murtha, D-Johnstown, told WTAE Channel 4 Action News on Monday it's difficult for many in the area to change. Murtha said that just five to 10 years ago the entire area was "redneck."

Now Murtha said only certain segments of the population are holding on to those racist feelings.

Just days after classifying western Pennsylvania as racist, Murtha took a step back from those comments, albeit a small one.

"What I said, that indicted everybody, that's not what I meant at all. What I mean is there's still folks that have a problem voting for someone because they are black," Murtha said.

Murtha said the history of southwestern Pennsylvania is rife with racism.

"This whole area, years ago, was really redneck," Murtha told Channel 4 Action News.

Murtha believes there is one segment of the population which is holding on to its racist beliefs and he said it's difficult for them to change. Murtha said it may be even more difficult for them to vote for Sen. Barack Obama for president.

"Particularly older people. They want change but they don't want to see things go too far," Murtha said.

Murtha's comments on Monday were made in Charleroi, Washington County, at an event to open the expansion facility of Nokomis, Inc., and to announce recent contracts the company had received from the Department of Defense.

Throughout the Mon Valley there is a mixed reaction to Murtha's comments.

"I think he made a big mistake. This valley is not racist. Not at all," said Robert Gray, of Charleroi.

Maurice Taylor, also of Charleroi, disagrees.

"I think it probably is, couple people here and there. Like not everybody, but some of them definitely. Older people mostly," Taylor said.

Murtha said he was not surprised to see Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton win the Democratic primary in Pennsylvania and he said he didn't think Obama had a chance to win the presidency after that. But since then, he claims many western Pennsylvania voters have come around and he believes many voters have left their racist beliefs behind.

"It's better than it was a few weeks ago. It's better than it was a few months ago," Murtha said.

Murtha said he has taken a new approach to dealing with voters who are factoring race into the equation. He said he asks them if they agree with John McCain's healthcare policy or with his desire to privatize social security.

"I'm saying to them, 'Let's not vote on whether he's black or white. Let's vote on what the issues are,'" said Murtha.

[Sgt. O'Rourke]

Reasons for instituting "term limits".

John Murtha

Robert Byrd

Teddy Kennedy

Harry Reid

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