Obama position on failed abortions

[once a runner]

RidgeDad, please tell us why it is so important for Obama to have written major legislation for him to be a successful president? What legislation did Lincoln or Eisenhower write before they became president? Did governing a state and writing legislation make Carter or Bush successful presidents? As president, nobody will care what he has done, only with what he does after he is elected.

Now consider that Obama's first two years in the Senate were under Rep. control and the last 2 years have seen more legislation blocked by filibuster than any congress in history. This congress will likely double the next highest amount. It's kind of like asking why your quarterback didn't throw for 300 yards in a driving rainstorm.

However, if you still need some answers may I suggest this article: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-geige ... 87970.html

I'm sure many will be quick to dismiss it since it's from the Huffington Post, but you really can't expect anything like that on Fox now, can you? Nevertheless, give it a read....your computer screen won't melt if you visit a liberal site.

[southpaw]

OAR: Once again your version of revisionist history is a fairy tale. Eisenhower headed the greastest military force of all time and liberated Europe from the Nazis. A force made up of other countries and the D-Day invasion was the among the greatest feats of military history. He had to deal with Churchill, De Gaulle and the French, Poles, etc. his own two bosses in Marshall and FDR and perfomed splendidly. I call that real experience under extreme pressure and performing. Now equating that to Barack's "Community organizing" and "voting present" record is more that a bit of a stretch. Its lunacy!

The Lincoln comparison has more merit. I in the minority in the belief that Lincoln wasn't a good president. His lack of executive experience allowed him to goaded into war by the abolishinist New Englanders. Lincoln saving grace was being assassinated at is zenith and he wasn't around for the occupation of the South. He was I read a very good speaker like Obama with ears to match.

[southpaw]

Almost forgot....Huffington? C'mon what a crock! You can't believe anything on there. And don't compare Huffington to Fox News. Another typical liberal ploy to compare a huge news organization to the radical left wing blogs of Huffington and Daily Kos. What a joke. Fox News is much more in the center that the Obama Channels of NBC, CBC, and of course ABC (All Barack Channel). Stop Drinking the purple Kool-aid OAR and take of the blinders and enter the real world. You'll feel great to have the chains of liberalism lifted of you and the liberty of free will and thought will make you a new person!

[ctindian00]

If a Presidential candidate shot and killed someone in cold blood, would that tell you everything you needed to know about that person.

It also says a lot about a man when his wife rubs hir hair and says to him jokingly "you're getting a little thin up there" and he replies "at least i dont cake on the makeup like a trollup, you ****" like John McCain did in 1992

It also says a lot about a man when he comes home from being a Vietnam POW to a wife who has anxiously awaited his return since he went missing and upon seeing how she looks..starts sleeping around on her, divorces her, and remarries a few short months later

[RidgeDad]

If a Presidential candidate shot and killed someone in cold blood, would that tell you everything you needed to know about that person.

It also says a lot about a man when his wife rubs hir hair and says to him jokingly "you're getting a little thin up there" and he replies "at least i dont cake on the makeup like a trollup, you ****" like John McCain did in 1992

It also says a lot about a man when he comes home from being a Vietnam POW to a wife who has anxiously awaited his return since he went missing and upon seeing how she looks..starts sleeping around on her, divorces her, and remarries a few short months later

I thought you liberals didn't give a hoot about what a man does in his private sex life (i.e. Bill Clinton). Can't have it both ways there ct. Are you also condemning Clinton's actions in the oral, errr, i mean, oval office?

You're comparisons are a joke, and any reasonable person that's not filled with hate and fear would be able to see that. Voting against a bill that protects the life of a human being, compared to calling your wife a troll (which I'll just have to take your word for it). Please.

[ctindian00]

I'm not a liberal. I voted for Bush in 00 and 04 and I'm a devout Christian. I am personally against abortian but I have also studied law for a long time, and since there is no law stating a child becomes a human at conception, it was left as a gray area and left to the courts. As a man who has studied law, I believe that we are constituationally obligated leave that choice to the people. I would condemn it and would never let that happen in my family, but to prevent someone else from making that choice with their family is not my place.

I hate what Clinton did in office, but love what he did for our economy. As a Christian I disagree with John McCain's temper and the way he treats his wife and call himself a Christian. I also disagree with all the Fox News conservative media who try to paint themselves as Christians and then spew filth from their mouths calling Obama a muslim and trying to find every little thing to tie him to people who have done immoral things in their lives. Its disgusting and none of it is Christian. Neither, then, are high profile Christians like pastor James Dobson who try to use their spiritual sway to tell people to vote for McCain and to pray that it rains during Obama's outdoor speech and to pray for a McCain victory. That's not Christian at all and frankly, its quite disgusting.

So, come tuesday, election day, I will vote for Barack Obama becuase he is a Christian with good family values and great ideas for our economy and for our healthcare system. I will vote for him becuase i shook his hand and looked him in the eye and when a man looks you in the eye and tells you he will do his best to take care of your family and help the situation, then he is an honorable man

[RidgeDad]

I'm not a liberal. I voted for Bush in 00 and 04 and I'm a devout Christian. I am personally against abortian but I have also studied law for a long time, and since there is no law stating a child becomes a human at conception, it was left as a gray area and left to the courts. As a man who has studied law, I believe that we are constituationally obligated leave that choice to the people. I would condemn it and would never let that happen in my family, but to prevent someone else from making that choice with their family is not my place.

I hate what Clinton did in office, but love what he did for our economy. As a Christian I disagree with John McCain's temper and the way he treats his wife and call himself a Christian. I also disagree with all the Fox News conservative media who try to paint themselves as Christians and then spew filth from their mouths calling Obama a muslim and trying to find every little thing to tie him to people who have done immoral things in their lives. Its disgusting and none of it is Christian. Neither, then, are high profile Christians like pastor James Dobson who try to use their spiritual sway to tell people to vote for McCain and to pray that it rains during Obama's outdoor speech and to pray for a McCain victory. That's not Christian at all and frankly, its quite disgusting.

So, come tuesday, election day, I will vote for Barack Obama becuase he is a Christian with good family values and great ideas for our economy and for our healthcare system. I will vote for him becuase i shook his hand and looked him in the eye and when a man looks you in the eye and tells you he will do his best to take care of your family and help the situation, then he is an honorable man

Then why not leave the abortion issue to the states? Why did the federal JUDICIAL branch need to LEGISLATE from the bench?

So while you are condemning James Dobson, you for some reason leave out your condemnation of Jerimiah Wright, who was Obama's spiritual adviser for 20 years. Maybe you agree with Wright's racist rants and think that his views are Christian. Like when he said "God d**** America" about 30 times in one speech.

As for your comment on looking in Obama's eyes, have you considered the fact that he just may be lying to get your vote? Nah, of course not. Would you feel the same if McCain shook your hand and looked you in the eye and told you he would take care of your family as well? Besides, what's so honorable about redistributing wealth to people that don't pay federal taxes? I believe that's called welfare.

[ctindian00]

I'm not a liberal. I voted for Bush in 00 and 04 and I'm a devout Christian. I am personally against abortian but I have also studied law for a long time, and since there is no law stating a child becomes a human at conception, it was left as a gray area and left to the courts. As a man who has studied law, I believe that we are constituationally obligated leave that choice to the people. I would condemn it and would never let that happen in my family, but to prevent someone else from making that choice with their family is not my place.

I hate what Clinton did in office, but love what he did for our economy. As a Christian I disagree with John McCain's temper and the way he treats his wife and call himself a Christian. I also disagree with all the Fox News conservative media who try to paint themselves as Christians and then spew filth from their mouths calling Obama a muslim and trying to find every little thing to tie him to people who have done immoral things in their lives. Its disgusting and none of it is Christian. Neither, then, are high profile Christians like pastor James Dobson who try to use their spiritual sway to tell people to vote for McCain and to pray that it rains during Obama's outdoor speech and to pray for a McCain victory. That's not Christian at all and frankly, its quite disgusting.

So, come tuesday, election day, I will vote for Barack Obama becuase he is a Christian with good family values and great ideas for our economy and for our healthcare system. I will vote for him becuase i shook his hand and looked him in the eye and when a man looks you in the eye and tells you he will do his best to take care of your family and help the situation, then he is an honorable man

Then why not leave the abortion issue to the states? Why did the federal JUDICIAL branch need to LEGISLATE from the bench?

So while you are condemning James Dobson, you for some reason leave out your condemnation of Jerimiah Wright, who was Obama's spiritual adviser for 20 years. Maybe you agree with Wright's racist rants and think that his views are Christian. Like when he said "God d**** America" about 30 times in one speech.

As for your comment on looking in Obama's eyes, have you considered the fact that he just may be lying to get your vote? Nah, of course not. Would you feel the same if McCain shook your hand and looked you in the eye and told you he would take care of your family as well? Besides, what's so honorable about redistributing wealth to people that don't pay federal taxes? I believe that's called welfare.

First of all, I never said that I agreed with Jeremiah Wright, which I most certainly do not. I grew up here near Johnstown on the border of Cambria County and was raised in a Christian home with Christian Values. I have been in the US Army reserve since December of 2005 and would consider myself very allegient to my country. So dont try to say that I am sympathetic to someone who should have never been given a microphone, becuase it's not true. I wont try to put words in your mouth, ridgedad, but I can only assume that you are a very right wing conservative. And the problem with that is there are a lot right wing conservatives like Sean Hanity who try to spew filth all over TV and the Radio to try to make you think that we live in a very divided world. But what they fail to realize is that most voters dont see things as black and white, there is a lot of Gray. Some are Christians who are pro-choice and some are atheists who are pro-life. There is no big divide that the conservative media tries to portray.

Now, why not leave it to the states? For the same exact reason that it shouldnt be left to the congress...becuase people have very different views on when life begins and should legally be allowed to decide between themselves, their families, and their spiritual leaders (if any)

Besides, Like I tell everyone else...only 2 of the 9 justices on the Supreme Court right now were appointed by a Democrat and it only takes a 5-4 ruling to make a case...so republican presidents past (such as bush) who vowed to put justices into office that would overturn Roe v Wade, have appointed justices who have done no such thing...which leaves me with the feeling that John McCain would also do the same thing

I guess I also forgot to mention earlier that I also attended a John McCain/Sarah Palin rally too. Why? (Becuase I was undecided at the time) and so when he was done giving his stump speech, I walked up to the front of the room and tried to work my way in and shook his hand too. And as i shook his hand you know what he said to me in a very weak and tired voice..he said "my friend, vote for a safe america"

Which brings me to why I will not vote for John McCain. Being a military man and comparing my views to the war and his...we completely disagree on so many issues that i cant even begin to begin. When i said weak and tired...i meant it. He is an older man who has had a history of health problems and if he were to die while in office we woudl be left with Sarah Palin and she is by nooooo mean remotely qualified or educated enough for that position.

Now, before you reply I have an answer to some of the things you might say:

You'll say she's a maverick. This is true, to an extent. She's actually so much of a maverick that she was a strong courter and supporter of the Alaska Independence Party who's main goal was to secede from the US and who's motto is "Alaska First" which is in stark contrast of McCains campains motto "Country First" Not to mention the FACT that she first SUPPORTED the bridge to nowhere

To which you will reply that Obama has his share of scandalous ties as well (Wright, Ayers, ACORN, etc.): He may be associated with them in some way or another but its a lot the old game "six degrees of separation". Sure he sat an a board with Ayers...but that a board of a committee chaired and funded by a republican who also didnt think Ayers was a bad guy anymore. As far as wright goes...they said he attended every other month so like what 6-9 times a year...no one has ever stopped to think that maybe Wright didnt always give those nasty sermons. And ACORN...well..Obama was a community organizer so naturally he would be a member of an organization of community organizers (but in no way was he ever involved in the voted registration process for this election, which has been proven to be a non-issue due to the fact that those falsely registered cant even vote)

You may say something about him wanting to sit down with rogue leaders without preconditions: Heres what i say...who cares. Why do we as Americans think that we are so righteous of a nation and were so high and mighty that our president cant sit down man to man with Mahmoud Ahmedijenad and make attempt to better our relations with them and understand what they want? Its a bogus notion to say we should HAVE to set preconditions to negotiate or talk with foreign leaders

And of course, a John McCain favorite and RNC talking point, Obamas voting record: McCain and Palin say he has the most liberl voting record in the senate. FactCheck.org did a segment on this and showed where McCain and Palin got this from...it was from a conservative polling of all of the voting senators did on the economy. So maybe in economic voting, sure he was the most liberal...especially in a GOP funded survery. But factcheck.org looked over all of obamas voting records since taking office including a summary of all such polls taken (like the one above) and it turns out that he has the 29th most liberal voting record in the country.



Im sure ill receive some backlash for this and it wont surprise me at all if i do. But please dont stoop so low (and im not saying you have done this) as to cite sources such as FoxNews and Sean Hannity or the Bloggers featured on RCP becuase despite all of their "Fair and Balanced" advertising, they are anything but. Just watch the show "Hannity and Colmes" for 2 minutes (especially after a debate) and youll soon realize that the show should be called (Right Wing Nutjob talks louder and continually interrupts timit liberal) I mean seriously, c'mon. I like Colmes but he can never get a word in edgewise on big mouth Hannity. You may be wondering where I get my news from...well, for one CNN (which i know favors Obama) but the most common place I get my news from is CSPAN and cspan.com which are completely fair and unbiased.

ok, ridgedad, have at it

[RidgeDad]

Thanks for your permission to "have at it". Didn't really know I needed it.

Actually, my first thought out response wasn't listed. Although you did a pretty good job of outlining other responses.

You said that Palin has no experience. Please do tell, what is Obama's experience to be POTUS? A 1 term US Senator who spent the majority of that time running for POTUS? Voting "Present" on tough issues, and not taking a stand?

What really are Obama's qualifications? You guys love to bash Palin, because she's only a "heartbeat away". Well, I've got news for you, your guy is the heartbeat. And nobody can list ANYTHING of importance that he has done. Name a bill that he sponsored. Something.

Obama is probably the best public speaker I have ever seen - maybe a close 2nd to Reagon. He has an ability to brainwash half the country. I hope it's not enough.

As for Wright, I wondered why you didn't condemn him like you did Dobson, that's all. I tried to put some sarcasm in my words, but you must not have picked up on that.

[vman]

From the vman archives when BHO & Hilllary were going at it:

Thursday, Jan. 31, 2008

Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., was the most liberal senator in 2007, according to National Journal's 27th annual vote ratings. The insurgent presidential candidate shifted further to the left last year in the run-up to the primaries, after ranking as the 16th- and 10th-most-liberal during his first two years in the Senate.

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., the other front-runner in the Democratic presidential race, also shifted to the left last year. She ranked as the 16th-most-liberal senator in the 2007 ratings, a computer-assisted analysis that used 99 key Senate votes, selected by NJ reporters and editors, to place every senator on a liberal-to-conservative scale in each of three issue categories. In 2006, Clinton was the 32nd-most-liberal senator.

In their yearlong race for the Democratic presidential nomination, Obama and Clinton have had strikingly similar voting records. Of the 267 measures on which both senators cast votes in 2007, the two differed on only 10. "The policy differences between Clinton and Obama are so slight they are almost nonexistent to the average voter," said Richard Lau, a Rutgers University political scientist.