Barry Has Been Lying

[once a runner]

That was a nice graph vman....that first part with a budget surplus really stood out, did it not? By the way, projections aren't always what they are cracked up to be. When Clinton left office the latest projections showed that the federal deficit would be erased by 2010. How did that projection work out?

I can't very well point out hypocrisy in action if I can't compare current action with past actions, now can I? I don't bring up Bush's dismal record to rehash the past, but show how nobody on the right seemed to concerned with the deficit when it was doubled.

One more thing..... to publish a budget that does not include the cost of 2 wars is kind of like creating a family budget that doesn't include car and mortgage payments.

[vman]

One more thing..... to publish a budget that does not include the cost of 2 wars is kind of like creating a family budget that doesn't include car and mortgage payments.

You are predictable oar....Reading is fundamental however:

The numbers above do include spending on Iraq and Afghanistan during the Bush years.

Overall, President Obama’s budget would add more than twice as much debt as President Bush over the same number of years.

[RidgeDad]

A courageous man? Breaking the rules of the congress and calling your commander in chief a liar in front of millions is now considered courageous?

Isn't that exactly what your side defined? Calling the President a liar is patriotic, remember?

You spoke of hypocrisy in a post on this thread. Well, here's some hypocrisy for you:

Let's call Bush a liar on the house floor:
Let's boo Bush during a SOU address:
Let's jeer Bush during the last "Hail to the Chief" of his administration:

Very classy, if you ask me.

And to top it off, anyone that disagrees with Obama is a racist. Just ask Jimmy Carter.

[once a runner]

Ridgedad, from earlier in the thread.....

how about your whole party booing Bush in 2005? That apparently was ok?

that was not OK. I don't defend my party when they behave poorly... the same goes for Murtha for not apologizing. Why is it so hard for anyone on the right to admit what Joe Wilson did was WRONG??

But it's good to know that you find Joe Wilson's action classless. I mean you'd have to....if you found the democrats classless then you'd be a hypocrite if you didn't find Joe Wilson's comment classless as well.

Vman, apparently my mistake about the budget not including the wars. However, perhaps you could clear something up for me about that graph. It is well known that the federal debt rose 5 trillion dollars during Bush's presidency. However, when I glanced at the numbers during Bush's term, something seemed amiss.

All numbers are approximated:
2001 +200B
2002 -200B
2003 -400B
2004 -400B
2005 -300B
2006 -300B
2007 -200B
2008 -400B

This gives a grand total of 2 trillion dollars. Where is the rest of the 3 trillion in debt? Are we sure they included amounts from the wars and other disasters? It seems 3 trillion dollars is kind of hard to hide.

And again, these Obama numbers are all just projections. The wonderful projections that said the national debt would be erased by 2010 didn't work out so well under the leadership of a republican president, a republican senate and a republican house.

The previous president inherits a surplus and goes on to add more to the deficit than all presidents before him combined and he's not worthy of criticism.

The new president inherits the worst economy since 1932 (if not all time) along with 2 wars, and after 8 months we're up in arms over projections of what might happen? Never mind that the economy, while not yet good, is at least stabilizing.

Do you recall that it took Reagan over 2 years to stabilize the economy when he took over for Carter? By the way, Reagan raised the deficit as well. Actually, it was around 100B during his first year it rose every year through the first 5 years up to nearly 300B. If it took Reagan that long to turn the economy around and he did it by tripling the defict, why is it so wrong when Obama does it?

[Lemmy]

But Once a Runner, the cute little graph came from the Heritage Foundation, they would not mislead would they???

[vman]

those deficit figures on the right are from the Congressional Budget Office's Budget Analysis Division; who we know is run by a Dem., recently chided by Barry to support radical agenda items like HealhCare Reform & Cap & Trade!

[Lemmy]

[vman]

Forty-two states lost jobs last month, up from 29 in July, with the biggest net payroll cuts coming in Texas, Michigan, Georgia and Ohio.....The Labor Department also reported Friday that 27 states saw their unemployment rates increase in August, and 14 states and Washington D.C., reported unemployment rates of 10 percent or above.

[Lemmy]

[Lemmy]

UNEMPLOYMENT RATE
Then: 4.2% (Bureau of Labor Statistics, January 2001)
Now: 6.7% (Bureau of Labor Statistics, November 2008)

DOW JONES INDUSTRIAL AVERAGE
Then: 10,587 (close of Friday, Jan. 19, 2001)
Now: 9,015 (close of Tuesday, Jan. 6, 2009)

BUSH FAVORABILITY RATING
Then: 50% (1/01 NBC/WSJ poll)
Now: 31% (12/08 NBC/WSJ poll)

CHENEY FAVORABILITY RATING
Then: 49% (1/01 NBC/WSJ poll)
Now: 21% (12/08 NBC/WSJ poll)

CONGRESS APPROVAL RATING
Then: 48% (1/01 NBC/WSJ poll)
Now: 21% (12/08 NBC/WSJ poll)

SATISFIED WITH THE NATION'S DIRECTION
Then: 45% (1/01 NBC/WSJ poll)
Now: 26% (12/08 NBC/WSJ poll)

CONSUMER CONFIDENCE (1985=100)
Then: 115.7 (Conference Board, January 2001)
Now: 38.0, which is an all-time low (Conference Board, December 2008)

FAMILIES LIVING IN POVERTY
Then: 6.4 million (Census numbers for 2000)
Now: 7.6 million (Census numbers for 2007 -- most recent numbers available)

AMERICANS WITHOUT HEALTH INSURANCE
Then: 39.8 million (Census numbers for 2000)
Now: 45.7 million (Census numbers for 2007 -- most recent available)

U.S. BUDGET
Then: +236.2 billion (2000, Congressional Budget Office)
Now: -$1.2 trillion (projected figure for 2009, Congressional Budget Office)