Pitt Sucks

[WPIAL~Titan]

Ricketts and Dieffenbach? Two of the top players in the WPIAL??? You mean like Nicky Marmo was???

JUSTIN WHEELER=NOT PLEASED.

Here's someone who's NOT PLEASED right now...

Lavon studying for his rigorous class, "History of Madden 2005"

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I'll be gettin' PAIDDDDDDD, Just chillin' now!!!!!!

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[The Ancient Enemy]

Uh, no. Penn State has few transfer for a couple reasons.

1. Joe views transfers as "damaged goods". Most kids who transfer for athletic reasons is because they are not good enough to play, were kicked off the team, etc. Penn State has had very few transfer players.

2. Penn State recruits their positions of need. They don't take every kid who wants to come like Pitt and Michigan have recently done. When Penn State needs 2 DTs, they go after DTs. They dont take 14 WRs unless they need 14 WRs. I WILL give them credit for this, they do recruit based on need. I just dont always agree with who they chase.

Sorry, Charlie, but incoming transfers and early-entries do not lower a grad rate from 100% to 16%. That's disgusting. It is Oklahoma-like. Guess who the coach was at OU? Barry Switzer, who never cared if the kids went to class, because he was an NFL guy. A lot like someone else we know, who has yet to have an academic all-american.

[The Ancient Enemy]

Oh, now Ricketts and Dieffenbach suck at football. Do you see how big a hypocrite you are yet? Trashing kids because you couldn't land them. Spoken like a true Pitt fan who cant accept the fact that their own backyard is raided by the Big Ten.

These two were terrible, terrible prospects, right? Clearly nowhere close to being the top in the WPIAL, let alone nationally.

RIVALS:
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Ricketts
4-star
19th best OT in the nation
Only WPIAL OT in top 80 of 80, nationally

Dieffenbach
4-star
4th best C in the nation
Only PA C in the top 20 of 20, nationally


SCOUT:
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Ricketts
4-star
28th best OT in nation
Only WPIAL OT in top 33 of 33 nationally

Dieffenbach
4-star
2nd best C in the nation
Only PA C ranked in the top 38 of 38

[WPIAL~Titan]

You're right...incoming transfers and early entries ALONE do not drive a grad rate down...BUT I WASN'T TALKING ABOUT INCOMING TRANSFERS...Are you seriously that dumb? I was talking about players who TRANSFER OUT of a program, for any reason like lack of PT (see Getsy and Flacco), or for disciplinary reasons (see Elijah Fields). Teams who change coaches and cordinators frequently have MANY MORE players who transfer from programs. I would also expect that indeed Pitt would have some players who wouldn't cut it academically because the rigor in their academic programs is just a little more difficult than, say Turf Management and Hotel/Restaurant Services.

Show me the numbers. Show me the %age of Pitt vs. PSU grads who stay at the university all 4 or 5 seasons. Show me the % of players who actually stay 4 or 5 years and do not earn a degree at Pitt. Take away transfers and player disciplinary dismissals I'll bet Pitt and PSU are a lot closer than you think. We all know that PSU rarely dismisses players for discipline. Heck, Navorro Bowman can attest to that. It's called DEPTH CHART JUSTICE and it was invented by Joe Paterno.

You keep spinning your wheels on the Academic All-American bit. Don't you get it? I would FULLY EXPECT a school with such ridiculously simple , non-riogrous academic programs to produce students with the high GPAs necessary to attain that status. Remember, succeeding academically in some of Penn State's acdemic programs is like when you played pee-wee soccer for Dunlo when you were 16yrs old: EVERYBODY got a trophy. Everybody gets an A.

So you'll talk about Wanny not caring about academics, yet the graduation rates at Pitt are improving. They should continue to move upward if Wanny continues to stay and provides stability. Nit Wits fans like you should be more worried about your coach and the cartoon he's become. I'd be worried whether or not he's going to last the season on the sideline without getting sick or injured. I'd be worried about the terrible, but justified reputation that your university has regarding player decorum. The Jokester allows his team to spill thuggery all over central PA and it's OK. Heck, Anwar Phillips played in a bowl game after being arrested and dismissed from the university. Where does THAT fit into the Grand Experiment? Think about that.

Oh, now Ricketts and Dieffenbach suck at football. Do you see how big a hypocrite you are yet? Trashing kids because you couldn't land them. Spoken like a true Pitt fan who cant accept the fact that their own backyard is raided by the Big Ten.

NOW THIS STATEMENT IS THE MOST HILARIOUS YET COMING FROM THE BIGGEST HYPOCRITE HERE. So, tell me how were you feeling about Shady's commitment to Pitt?

[The Ancient Enemy]

So Luke Getsy and Joe Flacco took a grad rate from 100% to 16%? You're right, Pitt is the only school in the country where kids leave early or transfer.

100% to 16%. That's more than Shady leaving early.

Like I said, brain damage.

[WPIAL~Titan]

Again, show me the numbers of players who stay with the program all 4/5 years for both schools. I'd still expect PSU to be higher because of the laughable academic standards they have.

While you're at it, how about a reference on the 16%.

[ham55]

The graduation rates in The Bootleg's analysis are the NCAA's "Graduation Success Rates" (GSRs), which were introduced four years ago. The Graduation Success Rate reflects the percentage of athletes who graduated within six years after starting college. The GSR doesn't count outgoing transfer students, so long as they were in good academic standing. So, losing players due to transfer generally does not hurt a school's graduation rate. Incoming transfers are included in the GSR calculation. been effective from 2007 on.

Looks to me like that argument is thrown out the window.

http://stanford.scout.com/2/952555.html

2009
PSU 85%
Pitt 68%

2008
PSU 76%
Pitt 63%

I'm no genius, but 85 and 76 are better than 68 and 63 percent for Penn State and Pitt respectively.

[WPIAL~Titan]

Thanks ham55...You proved my point about the grad rates of Pitt and PSU being a lot closer if the transfer and disciplinary factors are taken away.

Now, I want TAE to show me the 16% figure he found. I believe their rates were vety low in Majors II and Buddy Hackett eras where players were transferring right and left and Pitt was competing with IUP and Slippery Rock for recruits. However, starting with Walt Harris, who has a mess to clean up, things got much better at Pitt in terms of graduation rates.

As I said, I would EXPECT PSU to have a somewhat higher graduation rate than Pitt given the lack of rigor in their academic programs.

Numbers can be somewhat misleading too...PSU had 13% and 17% more graduates than Pitt the last two years respectively. If each class gets 20-22 scholarships per class, then that's PSU graduating about 3 more kids per year than Pitt. Heck, Pitt has had several players who have left early that could account for some of that. Again, I would expect that when PSU players are taking courses in how to milk cows, how to be a personal trainer, how to catch deer poachers putting up salt licks, and the fine art of cutting grass...or in Navorro's case, the art of SMOKING grass.

Considering their community college-esque academic programs, PSU graduating a few more players each year is insignificant. I'd expect them to have 100% given this, plus the infalliable GRAND EXPERIMENT "NO LION LEFT BEHIND" says they should have 100% graduation rates EVERY YEAR.

[ham55]

I'm guessing every Pitt player is a Pharmacy or pre-Med major.

[WPIAL~Titan]

No, Pitt's players choose their majors carefully and get solid academic guidance, just like Navorro Bowman when he majored in Crime, Law, and Justice.