Public/Private has hearing with PAOC
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Public/Private has hearing with PAOC
From Rod Frisco...hot topic today. PIAA has hearing on separating private/public schools for playoffs. What do you think? Sounds as if the PIAA won't be a leader in this, to much catholic clout in the PIAA and te state legislature, and will be a follower and wait and see what Ohio does. What it will take is a revolt of a block of public schools that threatens to form their own sanctioning body to usurp the PIAA. A solution would be simple...for example in football...4 classes public and one private. I would also include District 8 and 12 in with the private schools since they have "open" enrollments policies essentially the same as private schools.
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Sep 212010
I will blog this morning’s hearing of the Pennsylvania Athletic Oversight Committee beginning at 10 a.m. in Room 14 of the East Wing of the State Capitol. The PAOC will hear testimony from PIAA executive director Brad Cashman and Lewistown girls basketball coach Kevin Kodish, among others, primarily related to the issue of whether Pennsylvania should conduct separate championships for its public and private schools.
Scroll down for the updates:
The meeting is about to begin.
Testifying today, in order, will be:
Lewistown girls basketball coach Kevin Kodish and Karns City superintendent Dr. Larry Henry representing public schools;
Pa. Catholic Conference counsel Phil Murren and director of education Sean McAleer, PIAA private schools rep Hal Griffith and Don Teti, District 8 private school rep
and PIAA executive director Brad Cashman
The meeting has begun
Kodish begins
Says “in the opinion of many” PIAA should have adopted the New Jersey model (separate public-private championships) in 1972 when the Legislature changed the school code forcing PIAA to accept applying private schools
Kodish is now pointing out the co-op argument: That schools that agree to a co-op arrangement must count all students of a given gender that result in a total enrollment for classifications purposes. Private schools do not have to count all public school enrollments.
All right, Kodish quotes my post where I called complaining about the public-private issue as “Crybaby Central.” The post is here.
Kodish’s testimony basically makes this point: The playing field isn’t fair. He has just referred to Oakland Catholic girls’ basketball team as the Allegheny-Westmoreland County All-Star Team.”
Kodish quotes former WPIAL chairman Patrick Ratesic, who retired in 2001, as favoring separate championships.
Kodish is complete. He talked really, really fast.
Up now is Dr. Larry Henry, superintendent of Karns City School District in District 9.
Henry says the public-private set-up in PIAA is an injustice. Also says, rather oddly, that his school’s 2000 girls Class AA state basketball championship “should be experienced by every school.” If his point is that the so-called private school advantage gives the privates a leg up in playoffs, OK. If he’s saying that somehow schools are entitled to a shot at a state title that is currently withheld, I don’t get it. Right now, all schools have an equal opportunity to qualify for districts and states. Sadly, not all programs are equal.
Dr. Henry finishes very quickly, essentially making the point that the current set-up gives private schools a huge advantage. Both Kodish and Henry stay on the basketball issue, although kodish pointed out at the end of his testimony that the issue is creeping into other sports, which is correct.
Up now is Don Teti, who is the athletic director of the Diocese of Pittsburgh. He acknowledges that Catholic schools recruit students, but not for athletics. He says that Catholic schools exist to bring students a greater understanding of Jesus Christ. He bemoans the possibility of “artificial barriers that will taint a state championship” if those state championships are split.
Up now is Hal Griffth, athletic director at Bible Baptist in Shiremanstown (near Mechanicsburg). He is also the PIAA’s private school rep.
Griffith points out that application to his school does not equal acceptance at his school, pointing out that Bible Baptist’s own enrollment rules essentially negate the supposed advantage it would have by accepting students from a wide area.
Up now is Phil Murren, counsel for the Catholic Conference. Murren says the matrix of considering only geography does not give a complete picture on the issue. He says private schools must have a broad geographic drawing area to survive, and also says that private schools, lacking compulsory attendance laws and taxpayer dollars, is in a completely different situation than the publics.
Something interesting happened just before Murren testified. They were just 3 PAOC members present (short of a quorum), and two of those members left to attend a legislative session that begins at 11 a.m. Only the PAOC chairman, Bucks County Republican Gene DiGirolamo, remains, along with PAOC executive director Sean Harris.
Up now is PIAA executive director Brad Cashman.
Cashman addresses the co-op issue. He says PIAA requires combined enrollment for co-ops because all students at both schools are eligible for athletic participation. The reason private schools don’t count all of the enrollments because those students are not eligible at the private school.
Cashman also notes Ohio is looking at the private-public issue. He said that PIAA will be doing something similar in October when it begins its top-to-bottom review of the organization.
Rep. DiGirolamo asks Cashman what the percentage of private schools in PIAA is; Cashman responds 18.45 percent. DiGirolamo asks what is the percentage of PIAA championships. Cashman, using the numbers I researched since private schools entered PIAA in 1972, replies 18.3 percent.
DiGirolamo then asks if there is an imbalance in certain sports, and certainly there is in basketball. Privates schools have won more than one half of the girls’ basketball titles in that time and about one-third of the boys’ basketball championship.
The hearing has ended.
Posted by rod at 8:55 am
» Boys Football
Private vs public: Pa. Athletic Oversight Committee blog here
Boys Baseball, Boys Basketball, Boys Cross-Country, Boys Football, Boys Golf, Boys Lacrosse, Boys Soccer, Boys Sports, Boys Swimming and Diving, Boys Tennis, Boys Track and Field, Boys Wrestling, Girls Basketball, Girls Cross-Country, Girls Field Hockey, Girls Golf, Girls Lacrosse, Girls Soccer, Girls Softball, Girls Sports, Girls Swimming and Diving, Girls Tennis, Girls Track and Field, Girls Volleyball 1 Response »
Sep 212010
I will blog this morning’s hearing of the Pennsylvania Athletic Oversight Committee beginning at 10 a.m. in Room 14 of the East Wing of the State Capitol. The PAOC will hear testimony from PIAA executive director Brad Cashman and Lewistown girls basketball coach Kevin Kodish, among others, primarily related to the issue of whether Pennsylvania should conduct separate championships for its public and private schools.
Scroll down for the updates:
The meeting is about to begin.
Testifying today, in order, will be:
Lewistown girls basketball coach Kevin Kodish and Karns City superintendent Dr. Larry Henry representing public schools;
Pa. Catholic Conference counsel Phil Murren and director of education Sean McAleer, PIAA private schools rep Hal Griffith and Don Teti, District 8 private school rep
and PIAA executive director Brad Cashman
The meeting has begun
Kodish begins
Says “in the opinion of many” PIAA should have adopted the New Jersey model (separate public-private championships) in 1972 when the Legislature changed the school code forcing PIAA to accept applying private schools
Kodish is now pointing out the co-op argument: That schools that agree to a co-op arrangement must count all students of a given gender that result in a total enrollment for classifications purposes. Private schools do not have to count all public school enrollments.
All right, Kodish quotes my post where I called complaining about the public-private issue as “Crybaby Central.” The post is here.
Kodish’s testimony basically makes this point: The playing field isn’t fair. He has just referred to Oakland Catholic girls’ basketball team as the Allegheny-Westmoreland County All-Star Team.”
Kodish quotes former WPIAL chairman Patrick Ratesic, who retired in 2001, as favoring separate championships.
Kodish is complete. He talked really, really fast.
Up now is Dr. Larry Henry, superintendent of Karns City School District in District 9.
Henry says the public-private set-up in PIAA is an injustice. Also says, rather oddly, that his school’s 2000 girls Class AA state basketball championship “should be experienced by every school.” If his point is that the so-called private school advantage gives the privates a leg up in playoffs, OK. If he’s saying that somehow schools are entitled to a shot at a state title that is currently withheld, I don’t get it. Right now, all schools have an equal opportunity to qualify for districts and states. Sadly, not all programs are equal.
Dr. Henry finishes very quickly, essentially making the point that the current set-up gives private schools a huge advantage. Both Kodish and Henry stay on the basketball issue, although kodish pointed out at the end of his testimony that the issue is creeping into other sports, which is correct.
Up now is Don Teti, who is the athletic director of the Diocese of Pittsburgh. He acknowledges that Catholic schools recruit students, but not for athletics. He says that Catholic schools exist to bring students a greater understanding of Jesus Christ. He bemoans the possibility of “artificial barriers that will taint a state championship” if those state championships are split.
Up now is Hal Griffth, athletic director at Bible Baptist in Shiremanstown (near Mechanicsburg). He is also the PIAA’s private school rep.
Griffith points out that application to his school does not equal acceptance at his school, pointing out that Bible Baptist’s own enrollment rules essentially negate the supposed advantage it would have by accepting students from a wide area.
Up now is Phil Murren, counsel for the Catholic Conference. Murren says the matrix of considering only geography does not give a complete picture on the issue. He says private schools must have a broad geographic drawing area to survive, and also says that private schools, lacking compulsory attendance laws and taxpayer dollars, is in a completely different situation than the publics.
Something interesting happened just before Murren testified. They were just 3 PAOC members present (short of a quorum), and two of those members left to attend a legislative session that begins at 11 a.m. Only the PAOC chairman, Bucks County Republican Gene DiGirolamo, remains, along with PAOC executive director Sean Harris.
Up now is PIAA executive director Brad Cashman.
Cashman addresses the co-op issue. He says PIAA requires combined enrollment for co-ops because all students at both schools are eligible for athletic participation. The reason private schools don’t count all of the enrollments because those students are not eligible at the private school.
Cashman also notes Ohio is looking at the private-public issue. He said that PIAA will be doing something similar in October when it begins its top-to-bottom review of the organization.
Rep. DiGirolamo asks Cashman what the percentage of private schools in PIAA is; Cashman responds 18.45 percent. DiGirolamo asks what is the percentage of PIAA championships. Cashman, using the numbers I researched since private schools entered PIAA in 1972, replies 18.3 percent.
DiGirolamo then asks if there is an imbalance in certain sports, and certainly there is in basketball. Privates schools have won more than one half of the girls’ basketball titles in that time and about one-third of the boys’ basketball championship.
The hearing has ended.
Posted by rod at 8:55 am
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