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[lakersfan24]

Have you ever contributed anything positive to this board? My guess would be no. Anytime a topic involving FH comes up, you show up with your negative comments about the school, team, and it's supporters. FH must've really put a beating on you when you were in highschool (if you aren't still). Someone asked a question about FH players playing after high school. I figured I had something to contribute, so I posted. No, my Bleachercoaches word means nothing and I could really care less.

You know some people think that anyone who takes the time to post on a message board is pathetic. That's not true. Anyone who takes the time to only post negative things on a message board is pathetic, and that is you my friend.

EDIT: How is anything I posted bragging? Do you not agree with everything I posted? Rearick was a top qb of recent times, McCarthy was a top DL, Mehall and Dudukovich, etc etc. Do I really even need to go into detail? The question was asked why FH doesn't send more kids on to college, and it was somewhat implied that there is less talent in Sidman than other places and Bailey is winning off of his own coaching more than talented players. I posted those kids' names to show that FH has had just as many great athletes of recent as anyone else, and has been arguably more successful in the last 5 years than anyone save McCort.

[nrawhjtwnfhfan]

Have you ever contributed anything positive to this board? My guess would be no. Anytime a topic involving FH comes up, you show up with your negative comments about the school, team, and it's supporters. FH must've really put a beating on you when you were in highschool .

actually F hills never beat me in hi school. And negative comments? all u did on this board was cry about BM and berate them.

No, my Bleachercoaches word means nothing and I could really care less.

obviously U r not a man of your word or U would care

[lakersfan24]

Sue me.

[Opinionguy]

Manfred had about the best post of this thread and summed up Forest Hills football pretty well.

Here is the thing you are missing through...the consistency Don has comes from the people he has surrounded himself with. Consistency is the key. As Manfred said, these kids run the same plays 7th grade through 12th. Every coach is on the same page, 7th-12th grade. A lot of that credit has to go to Joe Carpenter. The guy mananges the JH program as an extension of Don. He demands perfection...which turns some kids off, but it gets a lot of kids better and ready to contribute as Sophomores at the varsity level. Don always boasts that all of his coaches (most now) either played for him, or with him at Forest Hills. On the local level, that is great, because traditionally no one has done it better for longer than Forest Hills. Period. However, does that hurt outside D6? That would be up for debate. IMO not really. What team has Forest Hills lost to at the State Level that they were better than? Sure, they could have beat the Quips in 91, or pulled out that game in 94, but to say FH was better and should have won both those games is a stretch. Besides those two, what teams are you going to argue that SHOULD have won a state title?

Kids who want to go on to play college football at FH, go on to play college football. Don will work to find them a place to play. The problem at FH is that the preception is that everyone who rushed for 1000 yds or caught 6 TD passes should be going to play college football on a scholarship somewhere. Not happening. The kids who could hack it went to places where they could play, or chose on their own not to go on to play. Again, name me somone who didn't have an opportunity to play, or should have went better (higher like D1 or w/e).

And lastly, pee wee football means about jack squat. If you think something you teach a kid at age 8 is going to make him better at at 18, you're an idiot. Or you're a parent who had a kid do great in pee wee, and still wear the sweat shirt to mow your grass on weekends.

[MYRTLE BEACH CRAZY]

OG,I guess we can now say that youth basketball AND little league baseball are in this same category.

[lakersfan24]

OG, I think we've touched on this subject before. I truly believe you are an idiot if you don't think PeeWee football helps. Go see how many great athletes from Forest Hills have came from the Geistown league. Go watch next year, and remember write their names down. When those kids are in high school, I'd be willing to bet the majority of FH's good players played there. That's how it has been in 2000-present. Maybe it wasn't like that back in your "glory days" but it is now. Even a lot of richlands best players of recent times (Pecora, Ripple, Krouse, Miller, etc.) have all played in that league. Now are you going to tell me that league doesn't help at all? Or did all of these good athletes from FH and Richland just magically all played football at the same league? Get real. Do you really believe FH's 7th grade dominance is because of there athletic prowess or because of ex 7th grade coach Anthony Brezovic or current 7th grade coaches Ross Carpenter and Casey long? Brez and Ross were role players in high school, and Casey hasn't played a down of football in his life. Sure they have a system in place, but the kids come in already knowing how to play football, and having already competed against good competition from other schools. If you think Joe Carpenter and his staff are the only one's who have shaped these kids, you are blind and ignorant.


A lot of pros/great players in every sport will say "I picked up a football/basketball/whatever at age 4. I started playing competitively at age 7-8" or something of the sort. Do you really believe that background had no factor in their career? At that age, you are very very impressionable. How many people still talk about their childhood dreams? That is where a passion for the game is developed, which means everything in terms of work ethic and getting better in the years to come. Sure some parents/coaches take it over board with the young kids, but I'd rather have my kid work too hard than not hard enough. Or have my kid want to win too much more than be okay with losing. Even if it's a flag league, if it's run by the right people it can be very beneficial.

[pats39]

i think the main part of pewee football is sparking the interest. Just look at how many more kids richland has had out and how much more success it has had junior high wise since the start of the richland rockets pewee league.

Also dont know why your commenting on current junior high coaches playing career. There are a lot more that goes into coaching than being a good high school football player and being a superstar does NOT qualify you to coach thats for sure.

[Opinionguy]

OG, I think we've touched on this subject before. I truly believe you are an idiot if you don't think PeeWee football helps.

Football is a game of desire and heart, especially at the high school level. Football, is not a game of skill and finesse. Basketball is a game of skill and finesse. Baseball, a game of skill and finesse.

Kids can learn what they need to learn to play football from 7,8,9 grade for the varsity level.

Maybe it wasn't like that back in your "glory days" but it is now.

Actually, since you asked. I didn't play the same position in Pee-Wee, or J High for that matter that I played at the Varsity level. Then I went on to play the position I played at the Varsity level at the College Level, and started my Freshman year. I guess those position drills I learned in Pee Wee from the Dad who was a coach, who was only concerned of giving his son the ball 30 times a game really helped me.

Get real. Do you really believe FH's 7th grade dominance is because of there athletic prowess or because of ex 7th grade coach Anthony Brezovic or current 7th grade coaches Ross Carpenter and Brez and Ross were role players in high school, and Casey hasn't played a down of football in his life. Sure they have a system in place, but the kids come in already knowing how to play football, and having already competed against good competition from other schools. If you think Joe Carpenter and his staff are the only one's who have shaped these kids, you are blind and ignorant.

First, you must have been one heck of a football player and athlete to take shots at these guys. Real classy there.

Anyways, that wasn't what I was saying...it isn't the fact that these guys, or anyone who has coached there for that matter. It is the fact that Forest Hills football is the exact same from grade 7 to grade 12. I was saying Joe Carpenter manages the J High to emulate the varsity. It is the system. That is how Forest Hills turns out kids ready to play Varsity football in grade 10. They know the system.

Laker, what it was that you learned in pee wee football specifically made you such a great varsity player?

I'm not saying kids shouldn't play pee wee football. But playing pee wee isn't what makes Forest Hills football great. Before they get to Junior High, it is the parents of the Forest Hills kids...making them mentally tough and instilling a good work ethic and team attitude in their kids....that's what gets these kids ready for football.

[lakersfan24]

As for what I said about coaches, I appologize. It was somewhat taken out of context and unecessary. All 3 are VERY capable coaches and have proven that, my point was that they are not making the program, the program is making them. They are inheriting kids that already understand the fundementals. The rules of the game, etc. Makes you're job description pretty simple, doesn't it? I've been around the area, I've talked to many other coaches. Somerset will be teaching kids how to block and tackle the week before the game. FH is perfecting their offense. If you truly believe in PeeWee football no skills are learned and carried to high school, I'm not sure how I can even have an argument with you about this. Are you really trying to say heart and emotion win football games, but finesse and skill win basketball games? Are you kidding? I guess Randy Moss just has way more heart than every other receiver, along with his height. People who think the way you do are the same people who fall inlove with a guy who runs a 4.2 forty and finds out he can't run a route. Football is a SPORT, and believe it or not skill is the most important thing just like every other sport. Sure some kids can come in right away and be good at it, because it is based off of skills that every human being does, running and hitting. But when it comes down to it, it is much more complex than that. Just like basketball or baseball, the sooner you learn these skills the better you become at them. You really believe PeeWee football isn't helping these kids? Name the last great player to come through FH that didn't play PeeWee. Better yet, try to name 2-3 on the SAME team. You won't be able to is my guess. If you know the kids, which I imagine you don't, ask them yourself if they think PeeWee football helped them. Based on your posts, I'd say you'd be very surprised at some responses. The Geistown league is a tremendous tool for Forest Hills, whether you're ready to admitt it or not. It gains interest for kids, teaches basic skills early on, and most importantly gives them a chance to COMPETE so when they show up for middle school they aren't a deer in head lights. When I used to be around the league a few years back, there were many great people helping these kids. People like Dr. McKlosky (WH), Barnes' (Shade), Mumbo Mehall (FH), Rick Gdula (FH), Harris (Richland), etc. That's a lot of football knowledge right there. If I had a kid, I'd have him in that league if it is half of what it was then.

Just for fun:
Dudukovich
Meier
Ondreick
Helsel
McCombie
Glacken
Kulka

Those are the FH's 2010-11 senior starters. Every single one of them played in the above mentioned league. I'm not saying this league is making or breaking FH players.. but how can you say it's not a factor?!

[woninthetrenches]

Pee wee help for the 7th grade coaches because you don't have to teach them the little things, you can go right into teaching plays and other skills. That is what make it such an asset for the jr high coaches.