PIAA guidelines on ejections...

[Blue Blood]

I didn’t personally see the cheerleader act, but there was a young kid in a MV jersey (I assume he was a ball boy or water boy) who grabbed a flag that ended up outside the MV sideline. This kid tossed the flag to a buddy standing back at the fence outside the track, his buddy then tossed it back toward the field. The young kid picked it up again and stuffed it into his pants (looked like he was trying to put it in his back pocket or just down the back of his jeans, but then he decided to stuff it down the front of his jeans instead), then pulled it back out of his pants and flung it to the ground right in front of him. He finished off the show by kicking at the flag while it lay on the ground in front of him (looked like a baseball manager kicking dirt onto home plate while arguing with the ump). This whole thing took about a minute or so.

[costanza]

yeah, and some officials want to always blame others or call teams dirty, when if they would penalize them earlier in games for crap that goes on, it would prevent it later in the game. everyone that is part of the game is responsible for the conduct. but we have a ref on here who acts like he calls all that stuff when it goes on too.

[Blue Blood]

To ABFBO2003, as to PM “dirty play”, I don’t agree with you (imagine that). Are our kids perfect? Of course not. I will say that “dirty” or “aggressive” is often determined by the team you are a supporter of. It is interesting to me that prior to the recent run of successful seasons PM has had, no one ever seemed to label them as “dirty”. Hmm…

Also to ABFBO2003, while I have not attended the past 2 (2011 and 2010) rules interpretation meetings, I had attended all of the previous 10. What I have done the past 2 years is review the Football Preseason Bulletins posted on the piaa.org site as well as obtain a current year rule book, and also to discuss the current year rule changes and points of emphasis with the guys I used to work games with. In my recollection, there really haven’t been any major rules changes during the past 2 years (mostly administrative stuff).

[thebrigade]

You’re telling me it’s the second guy that gets caught? Gee whiz, thanks for pointing that out to me, I would have never known.

Actually, I have personally communicated that very thing to literally dozens of high school players, either as a coach or as an official, and several times over the past couple of weeks, as a matter of fact. There were 7 guys on the crew. This was an extra point kick try. Both the “Ripper” and the “Rippee” were at the far end of their respective offensive and defensive lines. Therefore, there was a wing official who would have had NO other responsibility than to be looking exactly where this crap took place (and he in fact was looking right at it). Also, the white hat would have been initially looking at the kicker and holder, but was on the same side the “Ripping” took place, and he saw the whole thing as well (I did watch the tape, several times, before I started opining on this subject, did you?). Additionally, both the wing official and the white hat threw flags, but neither moved in to separate the two players for several seconds (even though neither of them were more than a few yards away). It was that missed opportunity by those two officials in those couple seconds that’s going to cost a great kid a chance to play in the first Championship game in his school's history.

For what it’s worth, this was actually the SECOND time in this same game that a MV player grabbed a PM player by the facemask. This time the helmet came off. The previous time, our guy just about had his head torn off while being thrown to the ground by his facemask, AND the idiot covering that one called a facemask penalty on PM!!! I was personally all over our kid for such a stupid penalty, and got the “I didn’t do it” line. After watching the tape, I found out he was telling the TRUTH. If you were not at this game, you cannot understand how pathetic all of this was. On the kickoff immediately following the “Ripping”, another MV player became the third facemask grabber, again twisting our kid’s head and resulting in throwing him to the ground. On that one, a second MV player joined in to help keep our guy down.

lol.. i just posted the rules for others on here that may not have known them. i also said i have no horse in this race and told you a few things about it that you should have known if you were a ref. there was absolutely nothing i stated on here that would require me being at the game, funny i said about the first guy not getting caught and the second guy getting penalized and you made my case about it even though you started reply by thinking it was a joke for me to even point it out to you, funny, your all over the kid for the first incident until you review the tape, guess you can get it wrong but the refs cant, refs are human and dont always get it right, if they let this game get away then shame on them. i would like to know what the penalty ratio was since you were at the game. seems like every play was dirty against you and nothing called in your favor. have to say i never seen a coach on here arguing every play that went against him. ref comes on and states he knows pm plays dirty and you disagree with him too. and those preseason bulletins you refer to are the exact pdf's that i quoted from, you state being dirty or agressive is determined by the team your supporting so i guess all the mv people there would say they played fine. and winning or losing has no say on whether a team is labeled dirty or not, its the players, and maybe the past 8 years they have been good players and the past 2 have a few bad apples, i dont know nor pretend to know.

[Blue Blood]

I'm assuming there was supposed to be a point to that last post?

[Head Roadie]

I just heard this morning who the officials were for this game. I find it absolutely stunning that District 6 would have that crew doing ANY playoff game. Many schools in our area will not hire them and cringe when they go to certain schools that are on their yearly "circuit" and they show up.

What's even more shocking is this crew advanced and did a state game (Clearfield-Shamokin) last night! I hope the PIAA is tracking this crew's ejection rate because it's astounding. When it gets a little hot, they throw people out....trouble is, they allow it to get hot.

I am not siding with PM or Mo V on this particular thread or game, I just feel sorry for them that their district football committee would have an inept crew on that game.

[dadw/2sons]

On the highlights I saw a glimspe of Todd Parker so I'm assuming the crew you are talking about HR is the crew from Altoona?

[The guru]

You info is bad. If that is the crew from Altoona they certainly have no issues getting games and the district always give them prime playoff assignments year in and year out......

[konjo78]

Blue Blood you say you are an assistant at Penns Manor? How long have you been there??? I unfortunatley moved my senior year in 2009 so i missed that amazing season

[Blue Blood]

konjo78 - sent you an email so as not to bore others, but forgot to ask, where'd you move to?