Some Interesting Stats

Athens/Cat · Post by **Athens/Cat** » December 8th, 2011, 12:20 pm

El-Moldo wrote:This has NOTHING to do with endurance. It's WHO makes the team in the first place. The more NFL players you have, the more diluted the talent pool is. It can't be any more simple than that. The larger a pool of anything, the less quality the pool has. It's even the same way in nature. If every male elk would mate with females, the pool quality would go down. But when only the BEST male elk mates, the better the quality of the population remains.

How has the quality gone down when the pool to choose from (US population playing HS football) has gone up? Yeah, there are more NFL teams but in the US today (not Pennsylvania) there are a lot more High Schools than before. This in my view equals out.

sportsfan1000 · Post by **sportsfan1000** » December 8th, 2011, 1:02 pm

El-Moldo wrote:Hey, I have a great idea. Why doesn't the NFL expand to 64 teams. Then more kids from Johnstown can make the list of NFL players from above.

He's only truly happy when taking shots at other people/teams/schools. What a miserable SOB.

ncsu1992 · Post by **ncsu1992** » December 8th, 2011, 2:06 pm

I have done a lot of compiling of information about my high school's football records since 1914 to the present and if any claim is made about any school being a state champion it must start with the year 1988. Otherwise my high school would be included in the list mentioned in the first post on this thread. If you go back into the 1940s you must also go back into the 30s or even 20s. Most schools were not larger than Class A or AA and there were even B schools. I have egg on my face for claiming my school's accomplishments over the years because some claimed to have won the state chanpionship -- there was none. Windber defeated John Harris, 7 - 6 in 1933 and Steelton 20 - 0 in 1937 for the Pennsylvania Interscholastic Athletic League (PIAL) which represented the entire state minus the WPIAL. They claimed the championship for many years but it was as close to any as any one else. I remember when Johnstown beat Clairton 3 - 0 on George Azar's field goal in 1958. That was for the WPIAL championship.

Also why was Phil DeMarco not included in the coaches list of 200+ wins?

ncsu1992 · Post by **ncsu1992** » December 8th, 2011, 2:10 pm

Sorrry about the Phil DeMarco question. I now realize he might not have 200 wins.

Athens/Cat · Post by **Athens/Cat** » December 8th, 2011, 2:36 pm

ncsu1992 wrote:I have done a lot of compiling of information about my high school's football records since 1914 to the present and if any claim is made about any school being a state champion it must start with the year 1988. Otherwise my high school would be included in the list mentioned in the first post on this thread. If you go back into the 1940s you must also go back into the 30s or even 20s. Most schools were not larger than Class A or AA and there were even B schools. I have egg on my face for claiming my school's accomplishments over the years because some claimed to have won the state chanpionship -- there was none. Windber defeated John Harris, 7 - 6 in 1933 and Steelton 20 - 0 in 1937 for the Pennsylvania Interscholastic Athletic League (PIAL) which represented the entire state minus the WPIAL. They claimed the championship for many years but it was as close to any as any one else. I remember when Johnstown beat Clairton 3 - 0 on George Azar's field goal in 1958. That was for the WPIAL championship.

Also why was Phil DeMarco not included in the coaches list of 200+ wins?

My fault I should've noted that the rankings were from a group of guys that started doing it in the 1914 with the birth of the PIAA and the WPIAL championship. According to PAFootballNews they calculated strength of schedule and used games played between east-west teams as a comparison. You're right they aren't official, but to my knowledge they are the only published rankings unless you've found other ones pre-PIAA tournament?

Also of note for Windber in 1933 they weren't in the top 10 according to these rankings even though they beat John Harris who finished third in these rankings. 1937 Windber finished 7th in this poll while Steelton wasn't ranked. Just like today there are always controversies. NCSU, where do you find the info the PIAL championships I've searched the internet but to no avail.

bleacherbum · Post by **bleacherbum** » December 8th, 2011, 2:49 pm

So what I take from this whole thread is if only the .06% of all state high school football players would mate with the female population there would a better player pool. And this would be a better world..HAHAHAHA

sportsfan1000 · Post by **sportsfan1000** » December 8th, 2011, 3:07 pm

According to National Federation of State High School Associations boys participation in football for PA in 2010-2011 is 26,505 kids.

http://www.nfhs.org/participation/SportSearch.aspx

26,505 kids
264 all staters

0.99% make all state. Less than 1%. Even less than the 1.2% than originally calculated.

Less than 1% of high school kids that play football make all state and that is too much for the negative nellies of the world.

As for the assertion that the talent pool in the NFL is down because teams are up is a bunch of crap. You know what ESPN Classic taught my generation? That our fathers and grandfathers were full of crap at how good play was in their generation. The worst players in the NFL today would kick the crap out of the best players in the 1950s and 60s. I guess their 200lb linemen back then would run it down todays players throats.

Manfred · Post by **Manfred** » December 8th, 2011, 4:06 pm

Joey Jones, FH & Va. Tech, was drafted by the NFL, got cut and tried out with several other teams, but never played a down in a regular season game. How many others on this world famous list are just the same. Congrats to all good enough to make the pro level, but practice/ taxi squads and pre-season should not count towards any official tally.

Athens/Cat · Post by **Athens/Cat** » December 8th, 2011, 4:07 pm

Manfred wrote:Joey Jones, FH & Va. Tech, was drafted by the NFL, got cut and tried out with several other teams, but never played a down in a regular season game. How many others on this world famous list are just the same. Congrats to all good enough to make the pro level, but practice/ taxi squads and pre-season should not count towards any official tally.

According to the list it says he played 3 games. I don;t know the guy so I couldn't say for sure. just going by the list

sportsfan1000 · Post by **sportsfan1000** » December 8th, 2011, 5:01 pm

Manfred wrote:How many others on this world famous list are just the same.

Here's a guy cut right from the same cloth as the other clown. Only happy when taking a shot at others achievements. BTW, the list of Johnstown players all played in games in the NFL.

Ed Adamchik C Buffalo-New York Jets 1965 GAMES PLAYED 4
Alex Atty OG Cleveland 1939 GAMES PLAYED 3
Carlton Haselrig OG Pittsburgh-New York Jets 1990-95 GAMES PLAYED 68
Gary Hrivnak DE Chicago 1973-75 GAMES PLAYED 41
Tom Mikula FB-LB Brooklyn 1948 GAMES PLAYED 1
Steve Petro OG-LB Brooklyn 1940-41 GAMES PLAYED 12
Jeff Richardson C-OG-OT New York Jets-Miami 1967-69 GAMES PLAYED 28
Ed Stofko TB-DB Pittsburgh 1945 GAMES PLAYED 2
Larry Walton WR Detroit-Buffalo 1969-78 GAMES PLAYED 107
Zeke Wissinger OT Pottsville 1926 GAMES PLAYED 5
LaRod Stephens-Howling RB-KR-ST Arizona GAMES PLAYED 39 to date

http://www.pro-football-reference.com

It appears Mr. Jones played in three games.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/p ... neJo22.htm

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