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...but nobody protected the children for 2 decades.

Talk about misplaced priorities.
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That statue would complete the finest Mancave on the east coast!
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I also want the 2004 Cal State women's hoops NCAA championship life-size bronze statues! What a tribute to those ladies who included Johnstown's Becky Siembek.
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While Joe was not a personal hero, a statue of anyone is no more than that- a statue. It's there to remind us of memories, mostly good, or for some, bad. It has every right to be there, un-defaced. Then again, show me a campus ANYWHERE that doesn't have jerks who should be paying attention to their classes and future rather than causing public problems outside the classroom. Another observation about most statues- the local bird population appreciates our supplying them with public restrooms. If the statue of JoePa has to be moved, I nominate the space immediately beside the "dude" reading the newspaper leaning against the Tribune-Democrap building. They both would then have a buddy, and Joe could say something like Pssst! hey bud! What're they saying about PSU now? Just a couple thoughts.
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Therein lies the problem: The Paterno statue is just that: A STATUE.

Too many in the cult look at that statue as a MONUMENT, or worse a SHRINE, ALTAR, or TEMPLE, a place to worhsip at the feet of their (false) GOD.

If you don't believe that observation, just do an Internet search and you can find 100s pictures of cultists kneeling, genuflecting, praying, etc. at the Paterno statue as if it were a place of worship.

TheWE ARE... cult and the PSU football cultists are a large part of why this problem became as out of control as it did. Football is a religion there. Janitors fearing for their jobs for reporting child abuse? Are you kidding me? In the words of Freeh, if that was the feeling of janitors, God help those at the top. What an utterly disgusting culture in need of a serious reality check.

Like a petulant child, PSU's football program is in need of a time out and has been for a very long time.

The powers at be at PSU would be wise to self sanction the program in the most serious manner, and that means a great deemphasization of football. The extreme part of me says shut it down for a few years. I would have the utmost respect for PSU if they took matters into their own hands and deemphasized football and only then would I truly believe that they were committed to changing the out of control football culture/icon worship there. Otherwise, the rest is just lip service.
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That's it Titan... Punish the likes of Shane McGregor for what happened to those children that Jerry destroyed.

Will fix everything??? Nope, PITT will still be a sorry excuse for a D1 football program!

I have a better solution... Take a percentage of the football game proceeds and all of the money from the summer camps that PSU hosts and put it into a fund for those abused at PSU and those who unfortunately will be abused down the road, nation wide. Sort of a compensation fund and awareness coffer if you will.
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NO, I am thinking that the institution needs to self-impose sanctions for such a colossal failure and such gross negligence. Take responsibility for the catastrophe and culture of silence, false elitism, and outright CRIME that has been allowed to occur and consequently has been covered up over the last 2 decades (we may eventually find out that it has been much longer).

PSU has yet to say "We were wrong, and we are sorry." They need to truly place the academic instiutution and common values of honesty, integrity, and decency ahead of football for once.

Allow the Shane McGregors and Silas Redds of the world to transfer and be immediately eligible at any other NCAA program if they so wish. Wish them well and thank them for their service by honoring the first year of their scholarships...reimburse their new college for the first year of their scholarship. Those who do not wish to play football elsewhere should have Their scholarships honored by PSU.

Now, Will PSU self sanction to a high level like self imposing a death penalty to football, or even deemphasize football? Never in a million years. Will the NCAA administer high level sanctions? Never in a hundred years.

Donate money to a cause supporting the victims of child abuse or rape? You have got to be kidding me. I say way too little and far far too late.

Sure, just make a large monetary donation and begin the healing, like PSU tried to do with bowl game proceeds. It's the thinking of the almighty dollar and protecting the PSU brand that is part of the issue here. Gotta have those 7 or 8 home gates, right? PSU threw a lot of money at Sandusky at his retirement, unheard of at the time. He was given money plus the run of the campus, and of course we know how that turned out. Paterno's buy out after his dismissal was astronomical. Paterno was given a deal worth roughly $6M, plus all kinds of privileges. The university did, however, draw the line by refusing what was in the original agreement, like the use of the university's private jet by the surviving Paternos and the luxury box next to the presidents, wow they sure manned up on that one! PSU also gave Paterno an interest free $350,000 loan many years ago, for which no repayment was required. The Cult loves to talk about how Paterno donated something like $4M to the university. PSU will pay that out at least 20 or 30 fold before it's all over due in part to his negligence.

Here's a sobering thought: When all is said and done years from now with regard to lawsuits, settlements, legal fees, fines, crisis management, public relations, etc. Paterno's financial net worth to the university will be FAR below $0.

The PA AG office, PA state police, FBI, NCAA, Department of Educaion, insurance carriers, and civil attorneys are not done yet either. In addition, the negligence that Paterno, Spanier, Curley, and Shultz showed has made PSU virtually uninsureable with regard to liability policies. We are not even talking about the potential Clery Act violations and Title IX violations very much at this point either, but PSU is being investigated for non-compliance in those areas as well. Think about that for awhile. It's pretty staggering. Actually, it's unbelievably mind blowing. It's just beginning. Football should be the absolute last thing on anyone's mind at PSU right now.

But, money fixes eveything, right? Just make a few donations to the victims and set up a fund to assist them and all will be well. Again, it's that kind of thinking that is a big part of the PSU culture problem.

What happened at Penn State, what developed that culture into a cult, was the notion that they were special, that they were the paramount of righteousness and morality in college athletics...and in fact, all of higher education. "The Penn State Way", "The Grand Experiment", "Success With Honor" all gave a grander purpose to all who bought in, a permanent sense of superiority that permeated all things, and thus, tragically, it also excused all things. Any failing on or off the field could be brushed away as "well, we do it the right way" or "we wouldn't recruit a kid of that caliber" or "he's not Penn State material." Everyone here has heard a 1000 variations on that.

PSU also created an atmosphere where any negative syllable was squashed before it escaped University Park. Prior to the internet, media was controlled with threats of revoke credentials. Following that, things started leaking out...as evidenced by ESPN 2007 outside the lines documentary. But anything that did reach the press was dismissed as "an aberration" or "that's just Joe being Joe" or "Joe will make it right."

This is how cult-of-personalities flourish unchecked. Atrocities throughout history have been floated on promises of a greater good and sense of righteousness, often accompanied by censorship of any criticism. That is why this is beyond just sports, and this is why the coverup could not just have happened anywhere...and this is why the culture at Central Pennsylvania's most important institution needs to be destroyed and rebuilt. This is well beyond just punishment or revenge, this is about tearing down a hulking, rotten edifice, and building something new, the morally right way.

To get to the original thought about the NCAA death penalty for football...The people of Central Pennsylvania, judging from the quotes (from even their own BOTs like the nutcase Lubrano) in newspaper articles and on message boards, need to live without Penn State football a while. They need to know nothing on Earth is infalliable or immune from corruption. The Pennsylvania State UNIVERSITY has to put the school first, and it can't do that while millions of dollars are flowing 7-8 Saturdays in the fall from Beaver Stadium. As the Freeh report stated, the leadership of the school needs to be completely restructured and rebuilt, and that can't be done there unless the influence of the football program and its supporters is mitigated, at least long enough to put the proper chains of command in place.


You say that "Pitt is a sorry excuse for a D1 program." Wow, that speaks a million words.

Is football really all that matters? If that is how PSU folks really feel, what a sense misplaced priorities they have. Isn't that precisely another huge part of what has gotten PSU into this predicament?

You say that Pitt is a sorry excuse for a D1 program.

I have some news for you: The rest of the free world outside of central PA knows for a fact that the PSU football cult and the cadre of university leadership enablers and criminal accessories (Paterno, Spanier, Shultz, Curley, and of course Sandusky) WERE, ARE, AND CONTINUE TO BE SORRY EXCUSES FOR ALL OF HUMANITY (forget about being sorry excuses for D1 football). Think about that for a New York minute.

Cover ups, dirty deals, arrogance, riots in honor of their false God, protecting the brand name over the welfare of innocent children.

It's beyond disgraceful. It's distressing.

BTW, here's a little sample of what the rest of the free world has thinking over the past few days about the PSU football cult and their high priests. But wait, the cult thinks it's someone else's fault. Even McQueary, the janitors, and sadly, the victims are being blamed by some Nitters. It's all just a big media conspiracy and just a bunch of Paterno haters, right?


1. NCAA Letter to Penn State (NCAA; November 17, 2011)
http://www.ncaa.com/content/ncaa-letter-penn-state

2. NCAA re-releases statement on investigation into Penn State (NCAA via WHPTV; July 2, 2012)
http://www.whptv.com/news/local/story/N ... q4Zmw.cspx

3. NCAA issues statement on Penn State case after Freeh Report (USAToday; July 12, 2012)
http://content.usatoday.com/communities ... AHgXI77Wmw

4. George Diaz: Sandusky, Penn State deserve death penalty (Orlando Sentinel; June 23, 2012)
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/en_fue ... nalty.html

5. Lee Barfknecht: Does Penn State belong in Big Ten? (Omaha World Herald; July 3, 2012)
http://www.omaha.com/article/20120703/S ... in-big-ten

6. Gregg Doyel: It's liberty or death for Penn State football if the NCAA gets involved. (CBS Sports; July 5, 2012)
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootbal ... s-involved

7. Mark Madden: In wake of scandal, Penn State needs time out (Beaver County Times; July 8, 2012)
http://www.timesonline.com/columnists/s ... 9e249.html

8. Mark Dent: Could punishment from NCAA be next for Penn State (Pittsburgh Post-Gazette; July 9, 2012)
http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/spo ... xt-643939/

9. Bruce Feldman: Will emails from Penn State VP of Student Affairs about Paterno trigger NCAA? (CBS Sports; July 9, 2012)
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootbal ... igger-ncaa

10. Michael Venture: Penn State Should Get the Death Penalty (NBC Sports; July 12, 2012)
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/48126484/ ... _football/

11. Christine Brennan: If Penn State is serious, shut down football now (USAToday; July 12, 2012)
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/columnis ... 56166544/1

12. Jen Floyd Engel: Penn State should get death penalty (Fox Sports; July 12, 2012)
http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootbal ... use-071212

13. Dejan Kovacevic: NCAA Must Pursue Death Penalty (Pittsburgh Tribune-Review; July 12, 2012)
http://blog.triblive.com/dejan-kovacevi ... h-penalty/

14. Dennis Dodd: NCAA: Penn State 'now needs to respond' regarding possible violations (CBS Sports; July 12, 2012)
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootbal ... violations

15. Mark Schlabach: Penn State deserves NCAA wrath (ESPN; July 12, 2012)
http://espn.go.com/college-football/sto ... wrath-ncaa

16. Petition: NCAA, President Mark A Emmert: Impose the "death penalty" on the Penn State Football Program (Change.org; current)
http://www.change.org/petitions/ncaa-pr ... ll-program

17. Don Van Natta Jr.: Freeh report details devastating (ESPN; July 12, 2012)
http://espn.go.com/college-football/sto ... any-levels

18. Jeff Schultz: Penn State deserves death penalty for Sandusky cover-up (Atlanta Journal-Constitution; July 12, 2012)
http://blogs.ajc.com/jeff-schultz-blog/ ... -cover-up/

19. Rick Morrissey: Penn State football needs to be suspended at least two years (Chicago Sun-Times; July 12, 2012)
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/13733985 ... cials.html

20. Scott Michaux: 'Death penalty' for Penn State football (Augusta Chronicle; July 12, 2012)
http://chronicle.augusta.com/latest-new ... e-football

21. Matt Brooks: Does Penn State football deserve the death penalty? (Washington Post, July 12, 2012)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ear ... _blog.html

22. Tony Manfred: Why They Should Burn The Penn State Football Program To The Ground (Business Insider; July 12, 2012)
http://www.businessinsider.com/penn-sta ... lty-2012-7

23. NJ.com Staff: Penn State scandal: Should football program receive the NCAA's 'death penalty'? (New Jersey Star-Ledger; July 12, 2012)
http://www.nj.com/collegefootball/index ... ld_fo.html

24. Chris Curtis: Time To Hit Penn State With ‘Death Penalty’ (WBZ CBS Boston; July 12, 2012)
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2012/07/12/c ... h-penalty/

25. Chris Baldwin: Penn State football should rot in hell: No waiting for death penalty, school needs to kill own program (CultureMap Austin; July 12, 2012)
http://austin.culturemap.com/newsdetail ... n-program/

26. Matt Trowbridge: NCAA should give Penn State football program the death penalty (Rockford Register Star; July 12, 2012)
http://www.rrstar.com/sports/x736420143 ... th-penalty

27. Baxter Holmes: Penn State scandal: Will the NCAA consider sanctions? (Los Angeles Times & Chicago Tribune; July 12, 2012)
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jul/12 ... a-20120713

28. Celeste Whittaker: Penn State deserves 'death penalty' (New Jersey Courier Post; July 12, 2012)
http://www.courierpostonline.com/articl ... h-penalty-

29. NY Times Editorial: Penn State's Part (NY Times; July 12, 2012)
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/13/opini ... &st=Search

30. Terry Pluto: NCAA must penalize Penn State football program (Cleveland Plain Dealer, July 12, 2012)
http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/blog/ind ... state.html

31. Eric Adelson: Penn State could pay $100 million in civil damages to Sandusky's victims and lose public funding (Yahoo! Sports; July 13, 2012)
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--pen ... eport.html

32. Jay Bilas: NCAA better sanction administrators (ESPN; July 13, 2012)
http://espn.go.com/college-football/sto ... nistrators

33. Brad Knickerbocker: Jerry Sandusky scandal could cost Penn State more than $100 million (Christian Science Monitor; July 13, 2012)
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/20 ... 00-million

34. Ian O'Connor: Culture of coach worship must end (ESPN; July 13, 2012)
http://espn.go.com/new-york/ncf/story/_ ... -torn-down

35. Rick Reilly: The sins of the father (ESPN; July 13, 2012)
http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/8162 ... rue-legacy

36: Pittsburgh Post-Gazette Editorial: Damning report: Penn State should suspend its football program (Pittsburgh Post-Gazette; July 13, 2012)
http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/opi ... 44556/?p=0

37: Josh Levin: Should Penn State Football Get the Death Penalty? The case for putting the Nittany Lions on the sidelines. (Slate; July 13, 2012)
http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sp ... ines_.html

38. Bryan Fischer: Penn State needs death penalty to move on (CBS Sports; July 13, 2012)
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootbal ... to-move-on

39. Neil Shulman: Penn State Football Deserves Indefinite Death Penalty (Bleacher Report:Los Angeles Times; July 13, 2012)
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1258 ... th-penalty

40. Mo Egger: Three thoughts on Penn State, all of which have probably been expressed more eloquently by others.... (Cincinnati's ESPN 1530; July 13, 2012)
http://www.espn1530.com/pages/mo.html#ixzz20fbF7Gqu

41. Howard Bryan: Penn State should not play football (ESPN; July 14, 2012)
http://espn.go.com/college-football/sto ... tball-team

42. Audrey Snyder: Penn State players react to 'death penalty' rumors (USAToday; July 14, 2012)
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/ ... 56211626/1

43. Stephen Smith: Death Penalty for Penn State (ESPN Video; July 14, 2012)


44. Tim Dahlberg: NCAA must act: Gut Penn State football (AP via Miami Herald; July 14, 2012)
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/07/14/2 ... rylink=cpy

45. Tim Rohan: Scandal at Penn State Poses Tough Choices for N.C.A.A. (New York Times; July 14, 2012)
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/15/sport ... wanted=all

46. Christen Red and Michael O'Keeffe: Penn State sex abuse scandal could push NCAA to take severe action against university (NY Daily News; July 14, 2012)
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/colle ... -1.1114475

47. Phil Sheridan: Penn State deserves NCAA sanctions (Philadelphia Inquirer; July 15, 2012)
http://www.philly.com/philly/columnists ... tions.html

48. David Jones: Penn State football is a $53 million gravy boat we all slosh in (Harrisburg Patriot-News; July 15, 2012)
http://blog.pennlive.com/davidjones/201 ... 53_mi.html

49. John Steigerwald: Penn State should’ve suspended football in November (Washington Observer-Reporter; July 15, 2012)
http://www.observer-reporter.com/or/ste ... ald-column
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I'm tired of hearing people use the excuse of the current players shouldn't be punished for something they didn't do. What a bunch of crap. USC has not been allowed to play in bowl games because of Reggie Bush and Pete Carroll. It had nothing to do with their current players. What about Ohio State? What about ANY team put on probation for past offenses? It NEVER has anything to do with current players. How would any program ever be held accoutable?

What happened at Penn State is the worst scandal in the history of sports but the program shouldnt be punished? The apologists continue to amaze me.

BTW I am no PSU hater. I hold an indifferent view on them. However this incident and the reaction of the fans of PSU sickens me. The apologists should be ashamed of themselves but I'm not holding my breathe.
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Absolutely brutal article on Spanier. You reap what you sow!
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