Crosby vs. Gretzky (numbers)

[theoneandonly]

Without Crosby the Pens don't make it outta the 2nd round against Washington the year they won the Cup. Yes Geno ended up with more points so that must mean he is a better player. You are so irrational it's comical sometimes.

Do you watch the Pens games? Like actually watch them? There is no way you can and still believe what you say. Do you know what number Crosby is? Or Malkin? If I had a dollar for everytime 71 tried to make an amazing pass and turned it over, or beat 11 people and turned it over or didn't backcheck I'd quit going to work on Mondays.

Some of the stuff you say is so far out of whack, man. I appreciate your dedication to convincing everyone how awful SIDNEY (not the city in Australia) is but sometimes you just need to let facts speak for themselves.

[konjo78]

I am not saying syndey is bad... I am just saying he is not as good as the media put him up to be. He is no where as good as the greats the game has mention before in this post. I don't even consider him the top player in the league. And yes i do watch pen games, flyers games, and all games because i love hockey. People use numbers to argue that crosby is the best but when someone uses numbers against them its "well that doesn't matter" argument.

I ask around a lot when people play the pens and fans always say this; I fear 2 things, A Malkin that can create a high scoring chance 50% of the time he is on the ice and a Fleury that can stop all the goals. Not once do they say they fear crosby because he isn't a make or break player. Crosby does not carry that team like Malkin or Fleury when they need carried. He plays very well but he isn't someone i look to just win a game. Notice how i am not also putting ovechkin up because i think he is just a worse malkin.


Also one last point, it'll be a travesty if the flyers and caps play in the winter classic next year..... Both those teams have played in one way too recently.... They should of had a Montreal vs Boston or a Minnesota vs St Louis WC.

[theoneandonly]

We can finish this argument 10 years from now.... And 10 different "he is better than Crosby from now"

[Aoki12]

We can finish this argument 10 years from now.... And 10 different "he is better than Crosby from now"

This argument wasn't meant to be about modern players vs. Crosby because quite frankly nobody in today's game compares. In my opinion it is a three way race, forget about the top ten list because that drew attention away from the real point of this forum, Crosby Gretzky and Lemieux are the three. There's no argument on that, the argument is: who is the best out of those 3, the answer is mario he never played one hundred %, won 2 cups, went toe to toe with the "the great one" every year without the supporting cast he had, and was just a true proponent of the game. Okay now we go on to who is second. I will reiterate myself and say Crosby doesn't and never will have the numbers. Then I will reiterate myself again and say why: the game is tougher now, the goalies are better, the defenseman are better, and the strategy and complexities of the game are just more. I bet if you went and put Sid back in the 70s-90s he would 150 points over his career, just like Gretzky. I am not really a numbers man I am more of a gameplay man. I got to watch Gretzky when I was wee little and my memories are always of him sneakily stealing passes or his quick little touch and go movements, he had the best hockey mind ever, but on the other hand watching Crosby now I see a direct style, he is going to beat you one on one, with a cross ice pass, or with his dazzling skill. As someone said before, two different players, you can't compare them. I agree with part of that statement, they are different but you can compare them. And I think we should. So forget about all the other guys and focus on the two this for was meant for.

[theoneandonly]

My argument isn't with you man....

It's with that joke, Konjo.

[konjo78]

All I'm saying there is a person in Chicago who puts up Crosby Numbers that's won 2 titles and at least 1 conn Smyth.... Why no one talks about him in mind boggling

[Aoki12]

All I'm saying there is a person in Chicago who puts up Crosby Numbers that's won 2 titles and at least 1 conn Smyth.... Why no one talks about him in mind boggling

Konjo, that's the problem, he is talked about way too much. He was even mentioned on this forum by yours truly

[abpk2903]

How is a player that averages 2 points a game throughout his career not a make or break player (whatever the heck that means) On average, when playing the penguins Crosby already has you down 2-0. If Crosby isn't the best on the pens, why does he always draw the top defensive line even when his wingers are nearly as talented as Malkin's? Dude you obviously don't watch too much hockey...

Kane is having his career year and Crosby is having an average year and yet Crosby is on pace to outscore Kane by about 12-15 points. Since when did anyone say to "not look at stats." No, I'm pretty sure that's the measuring stick that has been used in sports since the beginning if competition. Konjo, you once claimed Talbot and Jordan Stall were better than Crosby. You shouldn't be allowed to comment on hockey anymore.

BTW who is Sydney?

[konjo78]

Sydney is the crybaby captain of the penguins who did not score any series clinching goals in the Stanley cup finals.... Kane is consistently a top point getter but better yet he is always top in plus-minus. You can get all the points you want but if your plus minus is 0-10 its not gonna mean much, sadly Crosby is around that. Kane on the other hand is a 30 plus minus player, along with Malkin

[konjo78]

And how many playoff series have Pittsburgh won since staal or Talbot left?