Bishop Carroll vs. Monessen

[Oohmy]

Great comment upnorth. My question to all is. Who were the first two member schools of the PIAA?

[districtsixhoops]

Sadly, it doesn't much matter anymore. One is just as bad as the other.

[upnorth]

Great comment upnorth. My question to all is. Who were the first two member schools of the PIAA?

That's a great trivia question. I thought I read something a long, long time ago that New Castle is one of the first members of the PIAA, but I could be confusing that with the WPIAL (which predates the PIAA by 7 years). I'll go with Aliquippa as the other on a guess.

Do you know who the first members were?

[Manfred]

Bet Monessen and Coach Salvino wish those transfer 'rules' had kept their 6'8" center in town. The PIAA strikes again! PIAA= PRIVATE interscholastic ATHLETIC achievement.

You do realize membership in the PIAA is not compulsory for any school. The PIAA accepts all schools providing they comply with its by-laws. If any school is not satisfied with the enforcement of those by-laws, they are free to depart the PIAA at any time and form their own association whose membership could be restricted in any manner that organization saw fit.

btw - your use of PRIVATE is misplaced. Elijah Minnie transferred from one PUBLIC school to another PUBLIC (i.e. charter) school.

Where else is a public school to go? They left the Parochial and Privates in, and it's only been a can of worms ever since. Rather than do anything to give the publics a fair fighting chance, they look the other way for the P & P. They don't have the manhood to put it back the way it was, or to modify it to appease all parties, so the publics will suffer. "in any manner that organization saw fit". That means the PIAA thinks it's GOD. YOU cite Minnie as going from public to public. One small crumb in the bottom of a box of stale cookies the PIAA overlooks. And I was speaking as much in generalities as I was of this specific instance. Go ahead and spin it anyway you want to make you feel better. It doesn't make it right.

[Coach]

Public charter = private when it comes to sports.

Hyndman Charter is public and if it was a basketball power there would suddenly be a lot of interest from kids in the area to attend there. Their location won't allow that to happen. I have no doubt though if Hyndman was a section of the Johnstown area their basketball team would be much better.

[upnorth]

Bet Monessen and Coach Salvino wish those transfer 'rules' had kept their 6'8" center in town. The PIAA strikes again! PIAA= PRIVATE interscholastic ATHLETIC achievement.

You do realize membership in the PIAA is not compulsory for any school. The PIAA accepts all schools providing they comply with its by-laws. If any school is not satisfied with the enforcement of those by-laws, they are free to depart the PIAA at any time and form their own association whose membership could be restricted in any manner that organization saw fit.

btw - your use of PRIVATE is misplaced. Elijah Minnie transferred from one PUBLIC school to another PUBLIC (i.e. charter) school.

Where else is a public school to go? They left the Parochial and Privates in, and it's only been a can of worms ever since. Rather than do anything to give the publics a fair fighting chance, they look the other way for the P & P. They don't have the manhood to put it back the way it was, or to modify it to appease all parties, so the publics will suffer. "in any manner that organization saw fit". That means the PIAA thinks it's GOD. YOU cite Minnie as going from public to public. One small crumb in the bottom of a box of stale cookies the PIAA overlooks. And I was speaking as much in generalities as I was of this specific instance. Go ahead and spin it anyway you want to make you feel better. It doesn't make it right.

PIAA thinks it's GOD? While individuals may get caught up in the perceived power of their positions, I doubt the PIAA thinks of itself as God. The PIAA will never restrict its membership as you would seem to like. Just take a look at their public comments they made when they admitted the Philly Public League and the Philly Catholic League over a two-year period to form the new District 12 and then again when they admitted the Intra-Academic schools. There were lots of comments about finally having "true state championships". They will not break that up, plain and simple. So, I'll go back to my original statement. The public schools could all get together and form a new athletic association if they chose to and would be free to restrict the membership to public schools.

My "in any manner that organization saw fit" comment was directed towards a hypothetical new public (non-public charter/non-private) athletic association controlling membership requirements and had nothing to do with the PIAA.

The only reason I cited Elijah Minnie transferring from public to public is due to your original comment that made it sound that he transferred to a private school. No spin from this end. Just pointing out a fact.

[upnorth]

Public charter = private when it comes to sports.

Hyndman Charter is public and if it was a basketball power there would suddenly be a lot of interest from kids in the area to attend there. Their location won't allow that to happen. I have no doubt though if Hyndman was a section of the Johnstown area their basketball team would be much better.

Charter schools must be approved by their local school district as well as the state. They are only possible due to laws that your legislature enacted and are public through and through.

Your point about Hyndman is well taken, but it also points out an inadequacy in your position. Only some charter schools display excellence in athletics, not all, which is also true of private AND public schools.

It will be very, very interesting to see what the PA General Assembly comes back with as it examines whether or not charter schools should even have separate athletic programs. You can read more about that here. You can almost hear the lawyers lining up on both sides!

[Coach]

Look at how some of the Charters pop up and then go away a few years later. Some of the Phily ones are hilarious.

[upnorth]

Look at how some of the Charters pop up and then go away a few years later. Some of the Phily ones are hilarious.

Agreed. The disparity in stability among K-8 and 9-12 charter schools can be very significant. I have only heard of two K-8 brick-and-mortar (i.e. non-cyber charter) that have closed their doors, but it happens frequently with the 9-12 charters.