Chestnut Ridge

[clueless]

[Look, District 5 has a good team here and there, can't deny that. What it comes down to is these teams get inflated records because they play against sub-par competition most of the year. Put these teams in District 6 and watch there records and results become more average. Maybe you can look back at the past and find a team here and there that would succeed in District 6 but year in and year out District 5 just isn't at the same level as District 6.[/quote

If you want to lump girls sports into the mix, your statement that D5 isn't at the same level as D6 is probably correct. I even noticed that three of your four examples are girls sports.

I will also concede to the non-boundary schools' success too. I know they are part of the equation, but they have a unique situation. If you take the success of D6's non boundary schools at the state level out of the mix, D6's success at the state level is not that impressive.

If you want to look at just boys sports and compare apples to apples and look at the boundary school, then I disagree completely with your statement that D5 teams can't compete in D6. You say the D5 teams are not on the same level as D6 and then you use state performance to prove your point. Let's look at the conferences where D5 and D6 teams compete against each other. Bedford has shown in many sports that they can compete with the other LHAC teams. In fact they have been at the top or one of the top teams in Wrestling, Soccer and Boys Track in many of the last few years and have been competitive in football most years. Excluding Bedford, how many games have LHAC boundary boys teams won in the state tourney in any sport the last five years? In the Westpac, primarily the North section were D5 and D6 teams compete against each other, Portage is the only D6 school that is competitive on an annual basis with the D5 teams in football, basketball and baseball. In the ICC football, yes Bellwood is the big boy on the block, but Tussey and Northern Bedford have proven they can win against many of the same teams Bellwood plays. Having seen many games in the ICC in the other sports, year in and year out there is very little difference in the competition level between the two sections.

Again I will concede on the girls side and the non boundary schools. In those areas, D6 has proven to be above D5 locally and on the state level. I should make it clear that I am not saying a D5 team would or could win a championship every year in D6, but this notion that the competition in D6 is so much better than the competition D5 is just not supported by the results in the various leagues.

[abpk2903]

You also can't compare the number of athletes to place or the number of schools to place when comparing the 2. District 5 has far fewer schools, so of course they aren't going to place as many athletes or score as many points in states.

For as small as D5 is, I honestly think they had 2 of the top 3 AA football teams in the D5/6 area last year. In single A, I think Berlin and Tussey Mountain could have beat any team in the D6A bracket outside of BG.

Just because WJAC and WTAJ don't send near as many news crews over to Bedford and Fulton county, it doesn't mean they aren't competitive teams.

[JustWrestle]

If you want to lump girls sports into the mix, your statement that D5 isn't at the same level as D6 is probably correct. I even noticed that three of your four examples are girls sports.

I will also concede to the non-boundary schools' success too. I know they are part of the equation, but they have a unique situation. If you take the success of D6's non boundary schools at the state level out of the mix, D6's success at the state level is not that impressive.

If you want to look at just boys sports and compare apples to apples and look at the boundary school, then I disagree completely with your statement that D5 teams can't compete in D6. You say the D5 teams are not on the same level as D6 and then you use state performance to prove your point. Let's look at the conferences where D5 and D6 teams compete against each other. Bedford has shown in many sports that they can compete with the other LHAC teams. In fact they have been at the top or one of the top teams in Wrestling, Soccer and Boys Track in many of the last few years and have been competitive in football most years. Excluding Bedford, how many games have LHAC boundary boys teams won in the state tourney in any sport the last five years? In the Westpac, primarily the North section were D5 and D6 teams compete against each other, Portage is the only D6 school that is competitive on an annual basis with the D5 teams in football, basketball and baseball. In the ICC football, yes Bellwood is the big boy on the block, but Tussey and Northern Bedford have proven they can win against many of the same teams Bellwood plays. Having seen many games in the ICC in the other sports, year in and year out there is very little difference in the competition level between the two sections.

Again I will concede on the girls side and the non boundary schools. In those areas, D6 has proven to be above D5 locally and on the state level. I should make it clear that I am not saying a D5 team would or could win a championship every year in D6, but this notion that the competition in D6 is so much better than the competition D5 is just not supported by the results in the various leagues.

If you're not going to follow the conversation and thread then why comment? I was simply disputing the comments of "USATF Oldguy" in which he brought up track, softball, and volleyball. On a LOCAL and STATE level. That's why I compared it to the state. Those teams played a plethora of teams from D5 boosting their records then lost in the 1st round, does that better explain it?

Also, do they have boys softball in D5?

How about boys volleyball? How many D5 and D6 boys volleyball teams are there?

This thread was mainly a discussion about football/wrestling/basketball until other sports were brought up, I refuted the claims that pertained to other sports. Thanks for adding to the thread though, you essentially said Bedfords been good sometimes and then asked me to do research to support your claim that you yourself haven't done. Good work. Your username supports your arguments.

[southpaw]

So other people notice the no adjustments too?

Yes I noticed, 26 and 27's all night long. Maybe they didn't want to try to defend other plays?

I will say that I hope they just take the plunge and join the Mt League and stop being an honorary member. With some of the other teams being down it provides another measuring stick. Personally I would sooner play a 8-1 Ridge team week 10 than a 0-9 Philipsburg any day.

It might gain them a little more respect. I will say it's harder to win a league title than a D5 Championship. Even in wrestling they would match up against AAA BEA and Bellefonte

Recently it was discussed by mt. League to admit cr in football but it didn't have enough support from member schools.

[southpaw]

The competition is there in other sports too. Ridge and other district 5 schools have had very competitive teams in many of the other sports you speak of. Many of the softball teams and volleyball and track teams have done very well on a local and state level. District 5 track has done very well over the past five years. With quite a few top 3 finishers at the state meet and very good over all teams. They have won and placed very high at the west central coaches meet several years which speaks volumes. I personally think the schools need to bring back local leagues. Like the old Bedford county league, in all sports. it is ludicrous to run all over when so much more money could be saved and invested in the programs if they went back to the old system. Heck the biggest gate comes from backyard rivals anyhow, not to mention the savings in travel expenses.

The competition really isn't there. Maybe you mean they're competitive with themselves, within District 5. I looked back at last year at the sports mentioned....

- A & AA Softball both lost in the 1st round of state playoffs.

- Boys AA Track, D5 had 4 teams in the Top 80....while D6 had 10 teams

- Girls AA Track, D5 didn't score a single point. D6 had 8 teams score and place in the top 67.


- Girls A Volleyball, lost 1st round of state playoffs.

Look, District 5 has a good team here and there, can't deny that. What it comes down to is these teams get inflated records because they play against sub-par competition most of the year. Put these teams in District 6 and watch there records and results become more average. Maybe you can look back at the past and find a team here and there that would succeed in District 6 but year in and year out District 5 just isn't at the same level as District 6.

Fannett metal girls were class A softball champs a couple of years ago.

[southpaw]

TAHS, can you clarify what you mean by it may gain Ridge a little respect? I know Ridge doesn't have the program of say a Tyrone or Bellwood but for the past decade Ridge has been very competitive every year. I'm not sure they really need to earn respect around the area at this point.

Yes Tyrone may be a football powerhouse in the conference. The girls and boys both won the conference in basketball. However take a look at wrestling, volleyball, baseball, softball and even track. With the small amount of schools your size in District 5 the competition isn't there. I know it's not in your control but wouldn't it be exciting to know that your team might not make the playoffs or not a forgone conclusion they are in the finals?

I agree Ridge has a top wrestling program, would they have been better for states wrestling PO, Bellefonte, BEA, and Huntingdon?

Tyrone coming into the football season has a 20+ year playoff streak. I posted on another thread the same thing. I'm excited with the possibilities. Bellwood, Huntingdon, Central, Clearfield, Ridge, and you never know about a AAAA Central Mountain. That's 6 games we could possibly lose.

Ridge wrestled PO this year and beat them by 60. Wrestling Reynolds brookville and saegertown at brookville duals is is about the best litmus test for state duals.

[usatf oldguy]

The competition really isn't there. Maybe you mean they're competitive with themselves, within District 5. I looked back at last year at the sports mentioned....

- A & AA Softball both lost in the 1st round of state playoffs.

- Boys AA Track, D5 had 4 teams in the Top 80....while D6 had 10 teams

- Girls AA Track, D5 didn't score a single point. D6 had 8 teams score and place in the top 67.

- Girls A Volleyball, lost 1st round of state playoffs.

Look, District 5 has a good team here and there, can't deny that. What it comes down to is these teams get inflated records because they play against sub-par competition most of the year. Put these teams in District 6 and watch there records and results become more average. Maybe you can look back at the past and find a team here and there that would succeed in District 6 but year in and year out District 5 just isn't at the same level as District 6.

So you are drawing conclusions from just last year? First of all district 6 has twice the number of teams as 5. So they should by the numbers alone win twice the number of titles etc. I mentioned just a few examples of sports. There are many more who have done very well. You need to look a little further back in track and field than 1 year. There have been quite a few state medals rolling in from district 5. Please by all means look at west central coaches meet results, district 5 has represented well in the past, with championship teams from the district. I really think you need to do a little more homework before throwing district 5 sports under the bus!

[JustWrestle]

How about you provide some facts rather than just saying it happened lol

[usatf oldguy]

How about you provide some facts rather than just saying it happened lol

Ridge won west central title in 2007 in boys track, believe they were runners up in 2012. Northern Bedford has had numerous state medals in boys track including two gold medalists the past few years. Chestnut Ridge had two runner ups in 2012 and quite a few medals in previous years. I believe Bedford had a runner up distance runner last year. The district has had many great track teams. Bedford has won the LHAC championship many years but didn't beat the best team in district 5 some of those same years. Considering the LHAC is primarily made up of district 6 teams I would call district 5 competitive! I seem to recall some outstanding soccer teams in recent years, Bedford has made deep runs into the playoffs the past several years. Now when they have played some of the local teams in district 5 they have been 1 goal games. District 5 had a state champ in tennis not long ago. Wrestling speaks for itself. State champ in girls softball not long ago. I have done enough homework for you, now how about you do some of your own, especially if you are gonna say things like there is no competition in district5!

[usatf oldguy]

Actually I did a little more homework for you. A district 5 boys team( more specifically Bedford county) has either won or finished second every year since 2012 at the west central coaches meet. With a few years having two of the top three teams there. This meet is considered by many one of the best in the state, certainly the biggest invite in district 5 and 6! So again no competition?