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peytonsaturday wrote:
Chiefwapum wrote:For the Berlin coach to say the reason the other side of the defense  had a good year is due to teams running away from his son is a bit ridiculous and insulting for the other members of the team.      For those who watch film or understand the game you would understand this a bit more than the general public who only gets their information from the paper.  I took the liberty to watch the Clariton game as well as the Portage (West Pac Championship game) and after a quick scan here is what I came up with. Clairton ran 14 times to the right, 15 to the middle and 16 to the left.   Seems pretty balanced to me.   Portage ran it 12 times to the right and 13 times to the left.   Again these are approx. and again seem pretty balanced.   I think Berlins  line in general did well and quite honestly do not think any of them stood out more than the other.   The bottom line is film doesn't lie, film doesn't pad stats and all the answers anyone is looking for is simply a click away on hudl.
1.  The coach can say that because it's fact.  He didn't say the ONLY reason they had a good year, but it is absolutely a contributing factor.  Why do you think anyone even knows Stephon Tuitt's name?  Because Cam Heyward is playing the opposite DE.  Trust me, when it comes contract time, Tuitt isn't going to break the bank signing elsewhere.
2.  Seems like a parent (assuming) is pretty upset because his son (again assuming) didn't get enough credit.
3.  Assuming you are a parent...why are you even watching film?  You mean to tell me you have NOTHING better as a 40-55 year old man than watch HS football to check stats?  This also means you watched in season.  It's HS football pal, I don't think your job, or your son's future is in the sport.
4. "I think Berlins  line in general did well and quite honestly do not think any of them stood out more than the other."  I'm sorry but 51 stood out for me.  I can see him being a D2 player somewhere.  Might need to add some weight to play DE, or move to LB, but he can play at that level.  The other DL, I don't see as college players.  Not knocking them by any means.  They're very good HS players, but not at the level as the Paul boy. 
4. "I took the liberty to watch the Clairton game as well as the Portage (West Pac Championship game)"....."again these are approx"  make up your mind, you either watched, or you guessed.  Either way, you look like a parent who's kid didn't get a participation award. 
I'd like to add to the criticism of wampums piece here....
1>  you say the running is even 14/15/16...or whatever...what you failed to do is break down the opposing teams typical running tendencies...usually a team will run mostly to one side...I'd put that figure at 65% one way..so that is shot and kinda might show teams ran away...
2> You never said where Paul was lined up every play..many times they moved him all over...he didn't always line up on one end...add that to your game "study"...THEN and only then will anything you said make sense to we who "study film and actually know the game" ...and by the way...I'd put THAT figure on this site at around 85% of those who post here...pretty football smart crowd here.  
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peytonsaturday wrote:
Chiefwapum wrote:For the Berlin coach to say the reason the other side of the defense  had a good year is due to teams running away from his son is a bit ridiculous and insulting for the other members of the team.      For those who watch film or understand the game you would understand this a bit more than the general public who only gets their information from the paper.  I took the liberty to watch the Clariton game as well as the Portage (West Pac Championship game) and after a quick scan here is what I came up with. Clairton ran 14 times to the right, 15 to the middle and 16 to the left.   Seems pretty balanced to me.   Portage ran it 12 times to the right and 13 times to the left.   Again these are approx. and again seem pretty balanced.   I think Berlins  line in general did well and quite honestly do not think any of them stood out more than the other.   The bottom line is film doesn't lie, film doesn't pad stats and all the answers anyone is looking for is simply a click away on hudl.
1.  The coach can say that because it's fact.  He didn't say the ONLY reason they had a good year, but it is absolutely a contributing factor.  Why do you think anyone even knows Stephon Tuitt's name?  Because Cam Heyward is playing the opposite DE.  Trust me, when it comes contract time, Tuitt isn't going to break the bank signing elsewhere.
2.  Seems like a parent (assuming) is pretty upset because his son (again assuming) didn't get enough credit.
3.  Assuming you are a parent...why are you even watching film?  You mean to tell me you have NOTHING better as a 40-55 year old man than watch HS football to check stats?  This also means you watched in season.  It's HS football pal, I don't think your job, or your son's future is in the sport.
4. "I think Berlins  line in general did well and quite honestly do not think any of them stood out more than the other."  I'm sorry but 51 stood out for me.  I can see him being a D2 player somewhere.  Might need to add some weight to play DE, or move to LB, but he can play at that level.  The other DL, I don't see as college players.  Not knocking them by any means.  They're very good HS players, but not at the level as the Paul boy. 
4. "I took the liberty to watch the Clairton game as well as the Portage (West Pac Championship game)"....."again these are approx"  make up your mind, you either watched, or you guessed.  Either way, you look like a parent who's kid didn't get a participation award. 
I'd like to add to the criticism of wampums piece here....
1>  you say the running is even 14/15/16...or whatever...what you failed to do is break down the opposing teams typical running tendencies...usually a team will run mostly to one side...I'd put that figure at 65% one way..so that is shot and kinda might show teams ran away...
2> You never said where Paul was lined up every play..many times they moved him all over...he didn't always line up on one end...add that to your game "study"...THEN and only then will anything you said make sense to we who "study film and actually know the game" ...and by the way...I'd put THAT figure on this site at around 85% of those who post here...pretty football smart crowd here.  
As I elluded to earlier, I'm betting wampum is a dad who's son didn't get enough credit and now he's pouting.  
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Chiefwapum wrote:Just responding to the comment made on this post as well as the numerous times this same comment has been made in the paper.  I imagine Berlin will struggle next year with the amount of seniors they are losing.   So  coach/players should enjoy their success this season. 
That made me chuckle. 
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The PC kid it helps that his dad is the AD at the school. Connections.
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ExRaided wrote:
Chiefwapum wrote:Just responding to the comment made on this post as well as the numerous times this same comment has been made in the paper.  I imagine Berlin will struggle next year with the amount of seniors they are losing.   So  coach/players should enjoy their success this season. 
That made me chuckle. 
This means one of two things:
A. Chief's son is a senior
B. Chief's son is an underclassman and is having doubts about playing next season so he can say, "look, couldn't do it without us could ya?"
Either way I feel for chief's son.  Having not living in the Berlin area, I don't know who's who with members of this site from there.  But I'm sure in the Berlin area, people know who Chief really is, and his son is the one who feels the backlash.  Kids read what he says, then I'm sure go to his son and say, "What the hell did your dad mean by this...."  
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I guess it depends on your definition of struggle is. They really became the dominant team in the last several years on the back of Fochtman. Now that the alltime leading rusher is not going to be there things are different, doubtful you will see teams load the box giving them to one on one passing opportunities without an outstanding running back. No one thinks that team losing offensive and defensive player of the year might not be as good next year?
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He's not as good as Fochtman, but their backup RB was pretty decent too
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GaryHornicek wrote:The PC kid it helps that his dad is the AD at the school. Connections.
Just like having a father who is team physician at Forest Hills 
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CoffinCorner wrote:
GaryHornicek wrote:The PC kid it helps that his dad is the AD at the school. Connections.
Just like having a father who is team physician at Forest Hills 
Yup, that's gotta be it.
Wouldn't have anything to do with the way he, as a RB, ran Over people, or churned along with 4-5 people hanging on him. Or, as a LB, tackled everything that came thru the line..........
Thank goodness he knows people....
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CoffinCorner wrote:I guess it depends on your definition of struggle is.  They really became the dominant team in the last several years on the back of Fochtman.  Now that the alltime leading rusher is not going to be there things are different,  doubtful you will see teams load the box giving them to one on one passing opportunities without an outstanding running back.  No one thinks that  team losing offensive and defensive player of the year might not be as good next year?
Berlin will not struggle next year. They dominated without Paul early on and with Focthman playing the first half of most games. I can see them struggle for a half of a game here and there but that even happened this year. Berlin is loaded with talent still though. They should pretty easily cruise through to state playoffs.. from there things will likely change. But Berlin may have a much easier path to Hershey this year compared to last. 
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