Classification of Private Schools

[CMM52]

ChrisKentRam, you are making a rule that comes with consequences.  The consequence is not being able to participate in varsity sports, thus the penalty.  Listen, I agree with idea that we must do all we can to make sure kids aren't just jumping school to school strictly because of athletics.  I also recognize the fact that there is only so much that can be done to insure that, so we do the best we can.  For example, I think it's good that a kid can't just leave mid school year and participate in activities.  It goes against a lot of what I believe in, but I recognize it is a necessity in order to make sure someone isn't cheating both parties by skipping out on a couple months tuition during the fall so they can transfer to whatever private school just before basketball season starts.  When it comes to making this transition during the summer months, however; I don't think it's right for a penalty to be imposed.  Student completes 9th grade at whatever public school, family decides they'd rather send their kid to whatever private school that summer and enroll him prior to official enrollment date has passed, that is their choice and should be able to do so without any penalty whatsoever.  Again, this is all at their own cost in ADDITION TO the tax money their school district is still receiving.  Maybe use that extra money to pay a better basketball coach and get him some more paid assistants rather than cutting coaches pay and cutting the number of paid assistants like most public schools are doing.

[CMM52]

CMM52, all of that is fine, but if you allow this to happen, then privates/public championships should be separate.

I don't disagree entirely.  I don't think it solves the problem though for a number of reasons.  I mean, you can't expect Bishop Carrol to play Pittsburgh Central Catholic due to the fact Central Catholic is about 10 times larger if not more.  Same as you shouldn't expect Portage to play Pine Richland. 

[12HankQB]

CMM52, all of that is fine, but if you allow this to happen, then privates/public championships should be separate.

I don't disagree entirely.  I don't think it solves the problem though for a number of reasons.  I mean, you can't expect Bishop Carrol to play Pittsburgh Central Catholic due to the fact Central Catholic is about 10 times larger if not more.  Same as you shouldn't expect Portage to play Pine Richland. 

Which is illogical to even think that. That's why there's classifications.

[ChrisKentRam]

ChrisKentRam, you are making a rule that comes with consequences.  The consequence is not being able to participate in varsity sports, thus the penalty.  Listen, I agree with idea that we must do all we can to make sure kids aren't just jumping school to school strictly because of athletics.  I also recognize the fact that there is only so much that can be done to insure that, so we do the best we can.  For example, I think it's good that a kid can't just leave mid school year and participate in activities.  It goes against a lot of what I believe in, but I recognize it is a necessity in order to make sure someone isn't cheating both parties by skipping out on a couple months tuition during the fall so they can transfer to whatever private school just before basketball season starts.  When it comes to making this transition during the summer months, however; I don't think it's right for a penalty to be imposed.  Student completes 9th grade at whatever public school, family decides they'd rather send their kid to whatever private school that summer and enroll him prior to official enrollment date has passed, that is their choice and should be able to do so without any penalty whatsoever.  Again, this is all at their own cost in ADDITION TO the tax money their school district is still receiving.  Maybe use that extra money to pay a better basketball coach and get him some more paid assistants rather than cutting coaches pay and cutting the number of paid assistants like most public schools are doing.

If the move isn't for athletic purposes then there is no penalty. 

[CMM52]

ChrisKentRam, that's not correct.  

"A transfer to a residential public school. In other words, if a student attends a private or parochial school and transfers to the public school where the student resides, that student is eligible for varsity sports. However, a public school student who transfers to a private or parochial school is not eligible for a year."

So, as I said, kid completes 9th grade in public school, family decides that summer they would rather attend some private school.  Their kid is ineligible for a year.  Explain to me how that is right?  Basically we're saying it's cool if you want to come back, but if you leave, you'll pay.  That's B.S.!

[konjo78]

CMM52 this is one of the cases in life where it wont be fair to the innocent person but because there is large abuse by others a rule had to be made so the innocent one also suffers with it.

[CMM52]

CMM52 this is one of the cases in life where it wont be fair to the innocent person but because there is large abuse by others a rule had to be made so the innocent one also suffers with it.

I've said I'm fine with a lot of things, I'm not ok with punishing kids for decisions made by adults.  I am also not ok with blatant ignorance.  If the rule does go into effect fine, but what I mentioned above needs to apply to both schools.  If a private school student leaves to attend a public school after 9th grade then that player should be ineligible just like the player leaving public school for private school.  This added part of this new "rule" shows the true colors of the proposal.  They aren't trying to fix transfer problems, they are trying to hurt private schools.  Why else do you say there is no penalty for coming back but a penalty for leaving? 

[CCDevil2012]

So, as I said, kid completes 9th grade in public school, family decides that summer they would rather attend some private school.  Their kid is ineligible for a year.  Explain to me how that is right?  Basically we're saying it's cool if you want to come back, but if you leave, you'll pay.  That's B.S.!

It's not BS, not every child gets a scholarship to attend a private school. So maybe the child has always gone to such a school but one of his parents gets laid off and they can't afford it now. Said child would be transferring due to a financial hardship, not for athletic intent. But it doesn't work the other way because you're going from free to paid. A sport is a sport regardless of what school it's played at. If a child is transferring to a public school for "non-athletic" reasons, then there is no penalty for sitting out of varsity sports because the child is not there for sports anyways. And they're still playing JV, so they're still participating in an extracurricular. 

[d6footballfan]

[quote="knowitall"]Most of the athletes leaving public schools for private schools were thriving in public school.  The "public schools are a mess" claim is a mere excuse to cover for a transfer that was done for athletic intent.

Why aren't these Baptists and Methodists choosing to send their kids to Johnstown Christian School?[/quote]

Lets not kid ourselves, the JCS mission for students is a lot different than BM, BC or BG.   This is all about doers, followers, and rest who wonder the the heck is going on.  Some schools and programs have their act together, and the people they hire and kids they build or recruit into their respective programs follow the program or your on the outside looking in. Then you have others who aspire or want to be on top because of a great class of kids now and then, but things like resistance to change and heritage get in the way, and then of course you have all others who post incessantly about whats wrong with winning because schools recruit.    This proposal is all about reinforcing whats inherently bad with our school systems and the respective programs.  

I'm off the soap box talking about it now, carry on :)

[d6footballfan]

SO this is interesting, "transferring for athletic intent only".  Does that include transferring to a school that actively gets involved and promotes their players to Higher learning institutions?

What should happen is any policy endorsed by a governing body like the PIAA should be something similar:

Any receiving school who takes a recruited student (athletic or academic or club) must be held accountable and offer guarantees the student is developed and promoted.  The PIAA can hold the school (Public or Private), program and the student athlete accountable on and off the field for failure to meet these goals.  The sending school should consider either co-op, improving their own programs, or shutting them down for lack of return on investment to save taxpayer dollars.  

BTW most colleges are now choosing students who are multifaceted, i.e. extracurricular and academics.   Many decisions are made by the collective resume, which includes the school and the programs these kids came from.  The athletics portion just adds value, and it just so happens revenue taken in by these universities they place students into help pay for the players scholarships and the new buildings that attract other students .  

Is transferring for academic or religious reasons the only reason legit to transfer?